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Early music and choreographer suggestions for Olympic programs

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Marco, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. icefan1005

    icefan1005 New Member

    Carmen was fabulous, but I agree it was hard to fit into the COP. I'm thinking V/M will have ballet next season.
  2. kosjenka

    kosjenka Pogorilaya’s fairy godmother

    Anna Karenina soundtrack ;)
  3. pinky166

    pinky166 #teamtrainwreck #teamdiva

    Nagasu - Carlemango. No more Nichol please, she needs something up-tempo for her FS, strong, something that will push her to skate with speed and verve.
    Farris - I'd like to see him work with Buttle (whom he is very reminiscent of for me, I think it would be a good match), and maybe Dickson or Mills for the FS. I don't mind if he self-choreographs a SP with Damon Allen's help again but I think he really needs a high brow choreographer for the FS now that he's a senior man. I'd like to see one character driven, upbeat program and the other one can be more modern dance-y tortured artist like in style because I know he seems to like that... Or, I think he'd be great with a waltz, Shostakovich or Strauss in particular, I'm thinking.
    Brown - Ward for one program, try something new for the other program. I think Carlemango would be a good pick, or Dickson. And I hope he doesn't keep either of his programs from this season, did not like Prince and Liebestraume, while beautiful, I found sleep-inducing and a bit effeminate. I want to see him do a fast-paced "fun" FS this time around and something slower and more lyrical for the SP.
    Abbott - Wilson for one program and then self-choreo for the other. Again, upbeat for the FS and if he wants a slow lyrical program have it be the SP.
    Wagner - Stick with Mills. I like when she does the seductress acting :lol: so umm maybe a tango or she could do something from Don Q or Paquita and portray a sexy Spanish seniorita. No Carmen though please.
    Tuk - I don't care who the choreographer is but hoping for less heavy and depressing programs please!
    Sotnikova - TAT can do one program but I'd rather her not do both, and please no scatting, classical is a better vehicle I think.
    Gold - anyone but Scott Brown for choreo, maybe Wilson or Nichol would be a good choice. Powerful music to suit her skating, and programs that are less random than her FS this season. I'd like to see her take on a waltz.
    Miner - Dickson I think, something that really pushes him to be lyrical and snap him out of those stiff airplane arms. No more boring classical selections, I wanna see Ross skate to something fun! (and by fun I don't mean white boy Samba either)
  4. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

    anna karenina is perhaps the worst ost dario marianelli has done (honestly when i first heard the ost i was like "this doesnt sound like dario marianelli at all"). if they are going to dance to dario marianelli soudtrack they should dance to the atonement soundtrack. although the isu will probably find an excuse to deem it "not uplifting enough" (stupid rule). it is quite dark but i could easily image a step sequence being choreographed to the typewriter sounds. i can also really picture v/m dancing to the "out of africa" soundtrack. but idk if that will work

    its quite a shame really that CoP favours recycled and plain choreography over distinct and innovative choreography.
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2013
  5. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

  6. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

    i thought everyone was talking about the movie soundtrack i didn't know there was a ballet

    anyways those lifts are spetacular! i can totally picture v/m doing them. btw has any other skater danced to anna karenina? i hope they don't have any problems with the music. because i remember watching wch and during the "skaters life" segment they said that a music editor had to add more bass to carmen so it could fit with the rules of CoP
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2013
  7. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

    No. Nobody used ballet Karenina before. There is Tchaikovsky and Schedrin music.
  8. SidelineSkater

    SidelineSkater Member

    I know...even when you water down distinct and innovative choreography over the course of a season and still get beat both technically and artistically, it's a true shame.
  9. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

    its truly a shame that the isu doesn't know what real artistry/creativity is anymore

    maybe if they recycled more of their lifts and did the same set of twizzles that they've been doing for the past five years they've would've won:D
  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Music from the ballet ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina_(Eifman) ) or the 2012 film soundtrack by Dario Marianelli?
  11. SidelineSkater

    SidelineSkater Member

    Recycling is environmentally friendly! Perhaps the judges prefer twizzles and lifts and choreo that can be well executed as opposed to seeing the same old tiresome romance/love/passion theme.
  12. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

    You want to say that Davis/White's FD was not a love theme? And that Virtue/Moir's FD twizzles, lifts and choreo were not well executed? They had some problems with the final choreo lift indeed, but that was changed by Worlds, and also the kicking move that Tessa had problems with in the beginning was perfected by the second half of the season. Other than that I didn't see any problems with execution, and apparently neither did the judges at the Worlds as their GOEs were either the second highest, equal to Davis/White, or in the case of the rotational lift - even the highest in the whole competition, and their Peformance/Execution mark was also equal to Davis/White's.
  13. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member


    Since were on the topic of recycling, you wanna know what else is recyclable? cardboard! perhaps if other dance teams take the same direction as your current world champions and create programs that have the same appeal as cardboard maybe they would be more successful! :D
  14. SidelineSkater

    SidelineSkater Member

    Laura sweetie, do not put words in my mouth. I didn't say D/W wasn't a love theme, nor did I say VM weren't well executed by season's end. I was poking fun at rainbowkisses for trying to diss DW's elements. I'm not going to try to rationalize with irrational thinking. I'm disturbed at all the backhanded comments of VM ubers trying to make themselves feel better about the results of the season. Heaven forbid anyone critique your favorite's, but it's perfectly acceptable for others to try to break down Davis and White. VM have moved on, so should you all.

    Getting this thread back on track and out of the land of denial...

    Oly season suggestions...

    For Russian themed composers, Prokofiev's Suggestion Diabolique is pretty cool, the orchestral arrangement, not the piano solo.
    Shostakovich's Fire of Eternal Glory has a nice theme and build to a huge impact.

    Non Russian music...

    Bernstein's Make our Garden Grow from Candide
    Overture from Sweeney Todd (nice character piece for men)
    Something from Holst's Planets
    Music for Prague
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  15. SidelineSkater

    SidelineSkater Member

    Mmm hmm. More successful? Which team is on an upward trajectory? Which team has been passed both technically and artistically? (I'm talking in the minds of judges, not biased fans). Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad or cardboard.

    Kisses to you Rainbow. You're a gem. Keep on spouting vitriol, I'm sure it helps you sleep better at night.
  16. circuscandy

    circuscandy New Member

    Could we not turn this into a D/W bashing thread? This is supposed to be about potential choreography and music. Good lord.
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  17. morqet

    morqet rising like a phoenix

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  18. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member


    who said we were bashing d/w? we were just talking about CoP ;)
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2013
  19. iNap

    iNap Active Member

    I think the village idiot is lost from V-M tread. I am lucky I find it in this tread. It keep getting lost more and more :lol:
  20. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

    be careful who you call a village idiot/fool ;). as shakespeare once said, its better to be a "witty fool than a foolish wit"
  21. iNap

    iNap Active Member

    look like it want to stay here for some time. good luck to everyone.
  22. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

    Okay, seriously, take it back to your own threads, please. This stupid fight doesn't need to be everywhere. Or you can just PM each other until you're blue in the face.
  23. misskarne

    misskarne #AustraliaForTheTeamEvent

    *sigh* Again with the gender boxes. Can we ditch the narrow-minded "effeminate" and "masculine" definitions? Jason's LP was very beautiful and graceful and lyrical.

    I'm not sure, but I think it was the soundtrack. He posted a couple of videos on his vk, I put them in the Russia thread in GSD, I'll have to go find them again.
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  24. FSfan107

    FSfan107 Well-Known Member

    Gracie Gold - 1812 Overture.
  25. DustPuppyOI

    DustPuppyOI Well-Known Member

    Here's a variety:

    "To Build a Home" by Cinematic Orchestra, featured SYTYCDC
    Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjjc59FgUpg

    "Love Story Meets Viva La Vida" by Jon Schmidt, featuring Benji Schwimmer from SYTYCD fame
    Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2wa1qEkC-8

    "What About Us" by ATB, from SYTYCDC
    Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv9hfuocvEI

    "Orquestra" - remix of some sort from ABDC

    "Siamsa" by Ronan Hardiman (I think it's less performed)

    ???? Probably a custom composition/arrangement but it's already 4 minutes long!!! (cinematic/sweeping)

    ???? For those wanting something oriental

    Folk tune - Oriental
    "Originals": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqzuDo2vg0E, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KbK_NMb77M

    "In the Middle Somewhat Elevated" from William Forsythe's "Impressing the Czar", music by Thom Willems
  26. sk8ingcoach

    sk8ingcoach Active Member

    Well it is obvious that Carolina will stay with Lori and make another masterpiece

    I hope Mao has 1 or 2 programs from lori as well. Her sp this year was fantastic.

    Ashley and Gracie need to immediately fire their choreographers. I can see both of them doing good programs from David Wilson or Camerlengo.

    Akiko should stay with Camerlengo and Krylova

    I think the russian ladies need to go to someone like David Wilson or Marina Zueva

    I hate Tom dickson's Choreography. I dont think anyone should use him
  27. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member

    I think it was Sylvia who posted elsewhere that Ashley is working with ShaeLynn Bourne on an exhibition program. No way she doesn't use David Mills for her FS this year, they probably have it half done, but I'm hoping her work with Bourne introduces energy to her quality of movement.

    It sounds crazy, but I would love to see Ashley use pieces of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ5ruiXsOv4 with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9apYg0pskg for her SP.

    I could see Gracie using something by Aaron Copeland to good effect, but please god...new choreographer. I mean, I'm assuming the flaws with her current programs are the choreographer's fault. Maybe that's all she can handle, I dunno. And I'm stealing this from someone else, but Tchaikovsky's 1st Piano Concerto would be great for her, too.

    Would love to see the following:

    *Mao skate to Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2. I would die and go to heaven if her SP was to Fur Elise.

    *Yuna and Bach's Cello Suite no. 1 for her SP.

    *Anyone who can dance skate to songs from Depeche Mode's "Some Great Reward."

    And it's another old warhorse, but I would love to see a dance team use Aranjuez. I mean, you can just HEAR the twizzles, can't you?
  28. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

    One again, I am not sweetie for you :rolleyes:. I don't know what is it with those people who think that they can speak like this to other people whom they don't know :rolleyes:. As for "irrational" thinking - probably I was a bit too suspicious, but certainly not irrational. It was not difficult to assume that you could be hinting at what I wrote considering that elsewhere I've read opinions like that expressed in a direct way. Also, I personally haven't made any backhanded comments about Davis/White, and I haven't tried to deny their win as I agree with it. I am not even a Virtue/Moir uber in the way that many others are - I am merely a moderate fan. But I am all for objectivity (and saying that V/M didn't execute their FD elements well, or that D/W didn't have a love theme in their FD would not be objective).

    I completely agree with the last sentence. Being "passed artistically" is debatable though. After all, judges are human too, and they too can be biased for one reason or another. Being surpassed technically is debatable too - if we look at the SD levels during the whole season we can see that overall the two teams have been pretty much equal. As for the FD, I think that "surpassed" is too big a word for a difference of 0.80 and 0.47 points in the technical and components score accordingly. Also, as for technique, it's difficult not to agree that Davis/White have recycled some of their elements a bit more than Virtue/Moir which has made it a bit easier for them - of course, it's also being smart, as some others say. To be clear, I am not saying that Tessa and Scott are better than Meryl and Charlie - just trying to be objective again. But I think we can end it here - or if you want to reply you can PM me as michiruwater suggested.
  29. misskarne

    misskarne #AustraliaForTheTeamEvent

    Oi, D/M and V/W fans, GTFO back to your own threads please.

    Sylvia, I found the videos - I'm not sure if it's the ballet or the movie music. Anyone able to work it out (from two 40-second clips, ah...)

    It's a post on tumblr that the videos are embedded into. It looks nice already!
  30. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    I think Wagner's Mills programs so far have worked - my bone to pick with her programs this season is that the timing was too tight.

    Take her short for instance. I get that they wanted to put 2 passes in the second half, but because of that, she had so little time left for the steps and the final spin that they were all rushed and unfinished. Most times she skated to the short this season, she barely finished her spin when the final chord struck and that's why she always missed a level.

    Her long as well - everything was timed wonderfully until the choreographic sequence - she had so little time left that she could barely hold her Charlotte and spread eagle . In the debut version at Japan Open, there was also a little forward spiral to follow but it had since disappeared. It would also have been a good spot for a falling leaf (like the one she did at the end of Black Swan) but again she didn't have time for that. The coverage of the whole sequence was very limited. [Contrast this to Asada's fantastic, full rink length (and a half rink length more) choreographic sequence that was timed perfectly to the music to end the program.] And again for Samson & Delilah, the final spin was very rushed and always missing a level. Her endings also looked rushed and unfinished.

    Mills really needs to work this out with her because this affects both the final impression she gives the judges as well as her spin levels.