Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by BYTCH, Aug 21, 2010.
No Fat Girls Allowed
I might have to protest--hmmmmm, I could go up there and sit on someone.
That model is not fat. She's hot IMO.
I wonder if they mean morbidly fat.
Anyone ever notice that the group that seems to have the most problem with overweight girls is overweight guys? What's up with that? Most of the overweight guys (and I'm talking about seriously overweight, not pleasantly plump) I know are only attracted to toothpicks--like if they have a skinny girlfriend/wife, they can deny their own weight.
I think both fit and overweight guys can be discriminating that way.
Apparently they meant it as a joke. There are club nights meant for big girls and their admirers, and there are those who haven't progressed beyond an Al Bundy mentality.
One of the cruelest games the sailors used to play (I never participated - promise - too busy dealing with my own sexual issues) was a game called "Pigs for Bucks". A bunch of sailors would go into a club, and anyone who spotted a fat woman and got her a drink, everyone would have to give him a dollar. Or something like that. It apparently was a very popular game in San Diego bars frequented by military personnel.
She's not fat, by any normal standard. But, by typical runway model standards she is. It is truly sad and really screws up young women, when someone that lovely is called fat.
I also get when I see plus sized models who are a US size 12. That is not plus size. Not even literally. Plus size does not even start below size 16.
What a funny joke. I always love cruelty = funny. Not directing this at you Jot the Dot, just reacting to the link as you did.
I didn't post that as an agreement with the organisers, I thought my reference to the Al Bundy mentality indicated this.
Your reference did indicate that. That's why I said I was reacting to the link as you did (the same way you did). You misunderstood, I was agreeing with you.
I hope you didn't think I meant that I like cruelty = funny, I was being facetious.
I hate to say it, but as an ex-Montrealer, I would not be surprised if this really was a club event...even if they say it was a joke. Sadly, what is considered 'fat' there is approximately size 8. I know this because I could rarely buy trendy clothes there because sizes seemed to stop at L (maybe an 8?) or perhaps XL (size 10?) and while I lived there I was size 14+. I didn't bother going out to clubs because I stood out like a pink and purple striped elephant and was always given a wide berth to move my wide load.
I know - my mom is a size 12-14 and is hardly what anyone would call plus-size. I was actually acquainted with a plus-size model many years ago and was surprised when she told me, because there was nothing "plus" about her.
Free drinks for meeeee!
It kind of feels like the standard is lower for guys just in general. Plus guys have other things which make them attractive I guess, good jobs etc. I remember though being pretty annoyed when I one of my brothers who is a bit overweight talking badly about girls who were slightly overweight. Feeling that my brother didn't have room to talk. In fairness I once heard a girl who was morbidly obese talking about how a guy should make an effort to take care of themselves?
In general I think if you want someone who takes care of themselves, you should take care of yourself. I don't have a problem though with those who do want people who make an effort to take care of themselves, because it IS a longterm health issue. But I just wish for women especially the standards weren't so ridiculous. When the ideal standard for a woman is emaciated that's not right.
LOL, it's pretty cringeworthy looking back. I do hope the guys I saw playing that game have matured a little bit...
She's a little too done up for me to call lovely, but she is quite hot in that pic.
Psh, runway models are freaks and that entire industry is ridiculous. I'm clearly underweight and I'm still pretty sure I would be told to lose another 10 lbs off my thighs to do runway.
I feel that being emaciated isn't enough either - you have to be emaciated AND have curves. Nobody can win, aside from the women surgery-ed up like Barbie.
But not all men are like this. In fact, I don't think most men are that picky. Maybe I just don't hang with those types of guys.
Something that both horrified and astounded me was a few years ago, a popular Australian magazine held a readers' beauty competition for 'plus sized' women.
When the photos were published, 90% of the entrants fell within a healthy BMI range.
How others can shape our self perception sometimes can be a dangerous thing indeed.
Genetically, ITA. I think different guys like different types of women. What I think happens often though is that some guys are worried what their friends think, or what their society at large might think. So they choose a woman that they think will impress other people even if she is not to his true taste.
The article called her "full figured" as well as plus sized. IMO, fuller figure is a better description. She's not plus sized and she's not fat, but she is curvy. I think she looks great
It's all relative. That might be the case in the US, but in Australia, plus size starts from a 16 which is a US 12, and while not morbidly obese, it is a larger size. Plus size in Europe starts from 42, which is also a US 12. With the average size so much smaller in Europe than in the US, US 12 does seem plus size to them.
I agree. I remember back some years ago, a study was published ranking how different men were perceived by total strangers based purely on photos. They showed ugly men with ugly wives/girlfriends. They showed good looking men with good looking women. Etc.-all the variations.
The male that most people found the least likely to be successful was the good looking guy with the ugly female. The average looking guy with the good looking woman scored highest. I'll try to find that somewhere....
This is interesting:
Sadly, many of them are ill, because they are not naturally that thin. When I was in my mid 20's I weighed about 118 at 5'10, and I was chubby compared to many of the models I worked with and had come in for go sees.
Yes, a tooth pick with boobs.
Full figured is a nicer way to say it. But most women recognize it as code for overweight. Size 12 is not.
The thing is that size 12/14 is pretty average and not overweight. Size 0/2 is not natural for most women over 17. In order to be at that weight, they have to make a serious effort. Not saying all do and not saying necessarily eating disorder, but it is not natural. It is also hard to gauge sizes from US to Australia to Europe. US sizes have changed in the past few years. It seems the smaller sizes have gotten bigger and the larger sizes have gotten smaller. As size 2 became more like a 4, 4, like a 6, they added sizes 0, 00, 000. As to S, M, L. Smalls are more like mediums, and larges are also more like mediums. I find it hard to think of a European 12 as plus size. I bought a blouse from this British company the other day. Allsaints Spitalfields (weird name) is now being carried in some Bloomingdales. I normally wear a small or a 2/4 on top. I needed a 10 in that brand. I am, in no way, near a plus size, so...
A part of me feels that because women see so many emaciated women as the standard, if it in someways perhaps even encourages obesity. I.e a woman may feel like she'll never be the standard, so gives up completely. I'd much rather see "healthy" treated as attractive for a woman. And healthy doesn't mean arguing that its wonderful for a woman to be 200 plus pounds, but it also doesn't mean arguing its wonderful for a woman to look emaciated.
And can I mention how much I hate the size fluctuations.
In which case, it's probably a UK 10, which is an EU 36, which is a US...god knows, given how sizes have changed there. I would say 6, but with sizes getting smaller then 2-4 sounds about right.
Spitalfields is an area in London, btw. There is a market there
Like I said, it's all relative. I am an EU 38, and I feel like a bigger girl here whereas I'm a normal size, in fact on the smaller side, when I'm in the UK or in Australia. The average size there is a UK 14 and an Aus 14 - so about 12-14 US. I agree that US 12 isn't plus size, especially not the models because they're so tall and seem slimmer than an average person wearing that size.
But if these brands are European, then it is possible that to the designer, 12 seems like a plus size because it's well above the average, and while a size 0 is way too small for most people to maintain, there is quite some difference between a 0 and a 12
I dunno my aunt is about 40s and is a size 0 to 2. It's just natural to some to be thinner but it is rare. Not sure why some men care if a woman is overweight or not, shouldn't they worry about the person their with? Look at how many curvy women were sought after: Marilyn Monroe, Kim k, Rachael welch, none are 0s. I think there's beauty in all sizes from Sasha Cohen to Anna Nicole.
Funny this thread is here. I just came over from another BBS, where one of the topics was (in the Women's Discussion area); Would you rather be intelligent or beautiful. This was what I wrote, in response to another poster talking about how her ex-husband had initially told her he liked "big women" but then, before their divorce, basically admitted that he had settled for her (she says she is morbidly obese) because he had "doubts about his own desirability" and thus felt that a "beauty queen" was out of his reach:
Just from my own personal experiences I have found that men have their preferences and for the moment it is for rail thin bodies, fair hair and skin. And I find that increasingly applying to women as well.
I think they said the UK size 10 was = to a US 6. But US 6 is too big for me, so either this brand runs very small or UK sizes are even smaller compared to US than we thought.
I understand but the label says Allsaints Spitalfields, maybe just for the US market?
There should be, but it seems there is less and less. And more and more women are being told, via sizes, that they are overweight/plus size, when they are not.
You need to remember that weight is not the defining thing with size. A person who weighs 150 and is not muscular will be bigger than someone who is muscular. You also have to consider bone structure. A large boned person will weigh more than a smaller boned person. A 150 lb., small boned 5'6" person will look heavier than a 150 lb. large boned 5'6" person.
Karina1974--are you implying at the end of your post from the other board that all thin women are dumb? Because that is as stereotypical and offensive as the implication that all bigger women are out of shape that you are arguing against.
No, it's the brand I've actually been into one of their shops - cool stuff. UK 10 used to be US 6, but I don't think it is anymore. UK 10 used to be an Australian 10, but it's now an Australian 8 because of the vanity sizing.
Maybe you can spend the next few years killing off your anger issues.
Then you'll be perfect.
Yeah I think I better quote would prob be: outer Beauty fades, inner beauty is forever