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Dancing into a Bronze - Vaitsekhvoskaya's interview with Soloviev and summary

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by TAHbKA, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. TAHbKA

    TAHbKA Well-Known Member

    Vaitsekhovskaya's article on Morozov and interview with Soloviev for sport-express.ru
    At the very beginning of the season when the skaters were learning their new programmes Nikola Morozov said about his pupils `If in the GPF or the Worlds Lena and Nikita will not be able to fight for a bronze I don't think there will be a point continuing working with them'. In the GPF they remained 6th, but then it seemed like a silly one time thingie, which will be fixed soon.

    Only it wasn't fixed. Ilinyh/Katsalapov's result in London let us all assume the experiment, which began 2 years ago (when Elena and Nikita switched from Zhulin to Morozov) did not hold.

    Blaming the coach is the easiest. However, getting to the root of the problem is more interesting. It's not only Morozov's ice dancers who failed: it happened to the whole group. The 2010 World Champion Takahashi was only 6th being 8th in the LP, the Europeans 2011 champion Amodio was 12th, the 2012 Worlds Silver medalist Leonova 13, and even the not really well known Rakimgaliev, who represents Kazakhstan became 28th not even making it to the LP.

    In the middle of season Morozov's colleagues cautiously mentioned he overestimated himself and has too many pupils in his group. Even attending the competitions with his pupils meant leaving part of the group alone. Take Ilinyh/Katsalapov - 2 weeks before the GP in Japan they spent working with Elena Kustarova rather than with Morozov. It seems the Russian athletes were the ones the coach lacked time to work with mostly.

    Some independence is expected in professional sport, but when it's about the major competitions it is always visible who is the favourite of the coach and who is left for his own devices. I can't tell the first option is the right one, but it just happens that in the personal sport such as figure skating it gives better results

    There is a chance Morozov lacked knowledge in certain stages of the preparation and his ego didn't allow him inviting other specialists to his group. It could be the reason all of his pupil's technique lamed. All things became so visible at such an unfortunate moment I could only feel sorry for Nikolai.

    It's just that it's hard to feel sorry for him. When there is the coach's ego on one side and the more or less ruined career of the most talented and promising young pair of the country (and it is what Ilinyh/Katsalapov were rightly considered just 2 years ago) I feel much more sorry for the pair. I'll agree completely with Morozov's saying while giving it a bit different meaning: with such a results as Ilinyh/Katsalapov showed this season continuing working in that team seems useless. That is if aiming for other results. It's not necessarily the skaters who are the weakest link in that team.

    Bobrova/Soloviev's bronze is the first Russian ice dance medal in the last 4 seasons became an illustration to a different approach. It's obvious the duo's coach Alexand Zhulin, who suddenly lost his pupils who he was aiming for the Olympic Gold with would want a revenge. Even if it was the case it was for a short while. From the very beginning various specialists were invited to work with Bobrova/Soloviev and what's more important they all had the same goal.

    Soloviev said during the press conference the mood on the rink was setting them forward. Setting? Pushing and kicking more like, corrected him Bobrova.

    When Ekaterina went to the doping control Dmitri remained in the press room. He was asked to comment their not too high marks and the 2nd level of the steps.
    DS: For us it's a major mistake, we worked so much on the steps. We felt it was ok. Especially the circular steps. But I guess we made mistakes. We'll have to analyze it later. As for the skate in general - we are satisfied. When we left the ice and we didn't know yet how will the French team skate and whether we'll remain 3rd we didn't fell we lost. Neither me nor Katia.

    EV: What was the hardest thing?
    DS: This championship was hard in general. We still have to learn things anew: the technique, the choreography. Each coach has a different approach and demand. When we were working with Maksim Staviski before the championship he polished every element. Sometimes we would repeat the same transition 20 times during a practice and would crawl home after. But we tried to get to a place where we can perform any element no matter in what state we are.

    EV: Did coming so late to London effect you?
    DS: Not at all. We felt fine during both competition days. It's not our first time in NA and we know how the body will react. We made a mistake just once - in the Olympics. We had to skate in our 10th day here and we felt lousy.

    EV: Did the coaches voice out the ideas for the Olympic season programmes?
    DS: Not yet, but Katia and I didn't have time to ask. Though I know Zhulin has some ideas.

    EV: Will you be glad or sorry to let the old programmes go?
    DS: We had two amazing programmes this season. I was interested skating it even during the practices. I felt it differently every time I skated it and figured something different every time. I was never tired of those programmes.

    EV: Were you very nervous during the FD in London?
    DS: Katia was. She said she feels uncomfortable before the skate. I did all I could to calm her. When during the 2nd part of the programme she started sliding away I recalled how I was out of it in the GPF and how it ended. So I decided: I'll let her do whatever she wants and will just try to be there, stay calm and catch her if something happens.
    geoskate, kwanfan1818, LynnW and 5 others like this.
  2. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member

    Love his quote at the end about staying calm and catching her if something happens :)
  3. kosjenka

    kosjenka Pogorilaya’s fairy godmother

    Maybe Russian federation will think more about the position of Morozov and his status before Sochi.
    I admire Vaitsekhvoskaya. Woman is gutsy :)
  4. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka The Stolbova/Klimov and James/Cipres Uber

    Morozov certainly didn't have a great worlds; I/K were his best finish at 9th, yes? Am I forgetting anyone else?

    B/S :cheer:
  5. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    The whole group seemed to have really bad Worlds. Takahashi finished 6th, Amodio 12th, I+K 9th. On the other hand, it seems that the whole group had good results during the season (even 2 months ago). Takahashi won GPF. Amodio was 2nd at Europeans, I+K were also second at Europeans, easily beating Cappellini/Lanotte (who placed 4th at worlds) and placing only 0.11 points behind Bobrova/Soloviev. So I would think whatever has happened at Worlds does not indicate that they all regressed. They have just not been ready for this one competition (unfortunately the most important competition of the season). I wonder why. What was different with comparison to the preparation for the other competitions?
  6. robinhood

    robinhood Active Member

    well, I think those skaters had good competitions during the season, and they are really so talented they can be on podiums when performing to their abilities.
    The common factor with all these skaters is that their programs were really not up to par to their talent, and if you're not having a good skating day you need to rely in the strength of choreography or the routine to salvage the day
    I think those were the most boring and unmemorable programs that Dai had since I can remember. The program construction of Amodio is ridiculous and even his dancing abilities can't save it. I/K programs are just sad:eek:, such a crime against this very talented team.
    So, if the Russian Federation can't see the problems in Morozov's choreography (or lack of) they should look at the protocols. Morozov's days as a top coach are more or less over, imho
  7. Spun Silver

    Spun Silver Well-Known Member

    There's an anonymous comment on Aunt Joyce that Morozov had Dai doing 6 hrs and 50+ quads a day as well as changing his quad technique at the last minute. Is that possible??
  8. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

    hm..really? good for you..
  9. kosjenka

    kosjenka Pogorilaya’s fairy godmother

    maybe I am giving her too much credit for writing frankly about admired important member of Russian federation?
  10. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

    Don't mind me...;)
  11. TAHbKA

    TAHbKA Well-Known Member

    Good. Because am getting a bit paranoid of you following all my posts and replying with s#$t
  12. TAHbKA

    TAHbKA Well-Known Member

    Good point. I reckon that would mean most of his group peaked at the wrong time or were able to peak just ones a season. Which would also be the coach's fault (and even that wouldn't explain Leonova's lousy season...)
  13. kosjenka

    kosjenka Pogorilaya’s fairy godmother

    I doubt Morozov is guilty of all his students doing poorly.
    Some of them work with other coaches as well.

    I would like to find where Morozov said he would get rid off I&K if they dont win Europeans or medal at Worlds? I remember this being mentioned before, but cannot find the source.

    As far as B&S - they have improved under Zhulin and I loved their free dance, even the Tosca part, including the weird neck lift. I think it is very haunting.
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  14. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    I think there is easy explanation for Leonova's lousy season. All the juniors are getting older and two now were eligible for senior worlds and Europeans. Whereas in last few seasons Leonova knew that she is going to Europeans and Worlds (because there was no one better and they had enough places that she and Makarova could go without fighting with each other for a spot). Now suddenly Adelina and Liza are old enough and with every year there will be more of them eligible (Lipnitskaya, Radionova...). It probably also didn't help that she was beaten at last years Europeans by Korobeynikova... She did skate well at last year's worlds, but Adelina and Liza were not eligible and Makarova had a bad season, so Leonova did not have to worry about her place on the team. I think this year Leonova just lost her confidence. Jumps are a lot about confidence and if you don't believe that you can do it, the chances are that it won't work. Plus if we add her eating problems that she wrote about on her blog - although this eating habit may have been temporary, it leaves you weak, whereas for jumps she needs explosive strength. So although she may have altered her eating to make the jumps better, she made it actually worse.

    I don't know if anyone noticed, at worlds she was much better at toe jumps than at edge jumps. She was doing ok-ish with toe loops, flips and Lutz, but not so great with loop, Salchow and axel. I think toe jumps are easier to get up when you are weak, because the toe helps, whereas with edge jumps it can be a hard job. (Personally I have experience only with single jumps, but I know that when I came from holiday where I put a stone on, toe jumps were sort of doable, but edge jumps were a really hard job. She didn't put a stone on, but she has been surviving on a breakfast and green apples. Not nutritious enough for elite athlete.)
  15. kosjenka

    kosjenka Pogorilaya’s fairy godmother

    a russian :sekret: at Euros told me Leonova got a head rush after Worlds last year. She figured she was step to World title.
    I guess she forgot who was waiting at home ;)
  16. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka The Stolbova/Klimov and James/Cipres Uber

    ^Really?! In what way?

    Ouch, this season must have REALLY hurt if that's accurate.
  17. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    Cool interview
  18. Sedge

    Sedge Well-Known Member

    Here is the article in the archive


    Translated by none other than TAHbKA.

    The Morozov I/K part is towards the end
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2013