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Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by aftershocks, Nov 13, 2011.

  1. os168

    os168 Active Member

    I usually don't like cats, but can tolerate kittens.

    But for some reason I think I am psychologically intuned with these fur balls in the Daisuke videos, especially the middle one who kep hobbles up and down after Daisuke :shuffle: ... too Kawaiii... !!
  2. aftershocks

    aftershocks Well-Known Member

    Dai certainly makes it look fresh and new, but his fp music has been used often in figure skating, which I didn't recall.

    The below program may be familiar to many, but I'd forgotten that Usova and Zhulin skated to Blues for Klook in 1992.


    If I'm not mistaken, one of U/Z moves from this program is famously one of the sketches of skaters performing their programs on FSU home page.
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2011
  3. robinhood

    robinhood Active Member

    I loved U/Z in that program! I like Daisuke's program a lot, and he gets in the mood of the music like no one else can, but that's a music for dancers, IMHO. The jumps take a bit from the music, even though Dai's jumps come from nowhere most of the time.
  4. Meredith

    Meredith what a glorious day!

    I just realized I have not commented on this thread yet.

    Daisuke skates two of my three favorite competitive programs this year. The other is Jeromy Abbott's. Dai blew me away at NHK, and I am so pleased for him!

    Whether it is his choice of music or the way he interprets it, I am simply blown away. Some of his musical choices are not ones I would have seen coming. In past years, I would watch him practice to music I despised, but when it came to the competitive performance, that music and Daisuke's interpretation somehow became "soup" and I fell in love with the music, too! :D
  5. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    That is a sign of a good skater or any performer for that matter. On SYTYCD a few years ago there was that couple who did Bleeding Love which is a song I hate. But that performance was amazing and it made the song work.

    It is something also you have to look at with judging. You may hate the music but you have to give a skater credit for how they use it and whether it works.

    Dai really is so in the moment with Blues for Klook. And his SP was just outstanding for musicality. Particularly in his straight line step sequence, where he stopped, moved his head and then continued. That tiny moment sucked me in totally. I have no idea why but it did.

    I know one of the judges who actually judged NHK and sent her a message to say how envious I was that she got to judge his programs. She just responded that he was amazing.
  6. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

    A fully rotated quad flip is worth 12.3 points. With the +2, he would've had 14.3

    His attempt garnered him 4.6 points (5.6 points and then the fall deduction), so he would've gotten 9.7 points more for 179.02 (presuming his PCS remains unchanged, which is doubtful)
  7. os168

    os168 Active Member

    Thank you :) I just wonder if Patrick can be beaten, and my hope is a maxed out Daisuke with good momentum include the 4F might!!! *finger crossed*
  8. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member

    Daisuke just scored the 4th highest Short Program mark (after Patrick / Plushenko / Plushenko) without a quad-(the others had quads) so there really is no question that he can beat Patrick IMO.

    But I adore both of them for different reasons and - as I said on another thread I am ecstatic with men's skating right now!
  9. aromadezaki

    aromadezaki New Member

  10. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    I definately think Dai has what it takes to beat Patrick. I would love to see a perfect Patrick and Dai up against each other because as much as I love watching both, for me Dai's musicality is greater than Patrick's. And that could give him the edge.

    I have to say it is so nice to say that though because the quality of what both those guys do is outstanding.
  11. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    ITA. What a competition that would be, if both skated perfectly.

    I really appreciate how Daisuke's always willing to learn and stretch himself artistically and technically. Working with different choreographers, and with Lambiel and Schoenfelder (also two of my favorites) during the off seasons.

    I see improvements in his spins this season.
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  12. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    I do have an issue with his flying sit spin. He just doesn't get much elevation and a good tuck position in the air. I watch his beautiful skating and then all of a sudden he does the flying sit and I kind of cringe because it is just not up to the standard of the other elements.
  13. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Yeah, he's improved his positions and speed in the sit when he's on the ice, but the fly part still needs some work. His upright spins can be great when he's on though. Camel is still very slow (but goes with the music in the SP so well).

    I wonder if he can consult Lambiel wrt spins. That'd be awesome.
  14. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

    I don't think that it would help that much. Because apparently Stephane is not doing anything that other skaters (including Daisuke) don't know in theory. Some just have a natural ability, others can learn, but probably not as well as those with the natural ability.
  15. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    I think it would probably help a lot. Because there are spin doctors out there, maybe Stephane included, who whilst are natural spinners, also have tips and techniques that will help improve others. And it can be the tiniest thing but the skater may not have thought of it before.

    No one in skating is the be all and end all of all knowledge. Just some have better ways of doing things that end up making them better than others.
  16. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

    The thing is that Stephane has already worked with Daisuke on his 'Amelie' exhibition program choreography. Yes, they worked on it only for a short time, but I know that they also worked on spins, as Stephane has done with most (or even all) skaters for whom he choreographed. Of course, they could probably work some more just on spins - most likely it would be a small improvement, but an improvement nonetheless.
  17. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    But it could mean that it increases his +GOE.
  18. kittyjake5

    kittyjake5 Well-Known Member

  19. BittyBug

    BittyBug And the band played on

    I commented on that same move in the PBP thread. It's just a brilliant choreographic detail - first he draws a loop on the ice with his feet (skate) and then he draws a loop in the air with his head. Mad props to Wilson for this program, but it takes and incredible skater to pull it off and Takahashi is more than up to the task.

    ETA: For me, it was Takahashi's Bachelorette exhibition that proved his musicality and that he was far more than a "skate by numbers" talent.

    Last edited: Dec 2, 2011
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  20. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much :). It's actually the first interview that I read from Daisuke in English. Mostly they are in Japanese (which I don't understand), and I hadn't seen such a lengthy interview translated in English until now. So, a huge thanks to whoever translated it! And, if there has been some interview translated in English before, I would be very thankful if someone could point me to it.
  21. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

    Yes, a great program, but also a bit similar in style to Daisuke's 'Black Swan' program (not just because of the costume :D).
  22. aftershocks

    aftershocks Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting the interview, kittyjake5!

    I love Dai's skating and his charm. Most of all I love the way he takes on the challenge to grow, and how he seeks out help from many (Olivier Schoenfelder, David Wilson, Pasquale, the Japanese ballet dancer whose name I can't recall, etc.) in the constant effort to get better. Even with the difficulty of translating what he said into English, Dai's descriptions about understanding his body more as he gets older, and the complications involved with that, is quite wonderful to read. I can feel Dai's embrace of all the challenges and difficulties, and most of all his love for skating.

    IMHO, Dai being determined to stay and work hard in the eligible ranks through to Sochi (hope he makes the team) is very admirable -- and I feel through that effort and determination, he will deserve to be there more than a veteran who takes a few years off and then tries to come back just for Sochi.
  23. FiveRinger

    FiveRinger Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much for this interview. He's a very charming man.

    I enjoy both of his programs so much this season, so much that I am hoping that he wins the world title this year. As much I respect Chan's skating, I just enjoy Dai's programs so much more. I appreciate the creativity and the musicality and the originality. He has chosen music that's not over-used and overdone.
  24. kittyjake5

    kittyjake5 Well-Known Member

    Just wanted to say GO DAISUKE!!!!!

    Hope you have two great skates and that you will be standing on the podium
    with that Gold Medal around your neck.
  25. Roxanne

    Roxanne Member


    It must be so frustrating for him to skate better than Patrick but still lose to him. I really hope he gets his quad back.
  26. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

  27. professordeb

    professordeb Well-Known Member

    Note to Tak
    1) skate your short better
    2) up the difficulty in your free
    Regardless of whether you actually accomplish either one or both, I still lurves to watch you.
  28. ostile17

    ostile17 Well-Known Member

  29. l'etoile

    l'etoile New Member

    Thank you I really enjoyed it, like this is the first time I was just so into watching him skate. Jumps were there, perfect and one of the hardest arsenal, 4t-3t, 3a, and 3lz, and he was really giving his energy and even "soul" to this performance.

    I love that his attitude at recent interview was truthful and not of just a big talk. He took the risk when clearly he didn't have to and that's a quality worthy of champion. Wow. He really had me there with this performance!
  30. maureenfarone

    maureenfarone Well-Known Member

    WOW!! Thanks so much for the link. I really like Dai and hope he is on the podium at Worlds (top step!).