Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, May 21, 2012.
Oh dear! Best wishes for a complete recovery and a successful rehab and return to skating for Alissa.
Sigh... I wish Czisny speedy recovery.
I cant help but be frustrated at USFSA. Two years in a row they sent an injured lady to worlds. By now it should be clear: US Nationals performance is not an indicator of how a skater will do two months later or a year later (eg jgp). If Usfsa keeps letting nationals decide all assignments without some basic monitoring then I am afraid it is harder to turn the ladies program around. A skater can be fine at nationals and has trouble with triples by March. Athletes are optimistic by nature, and they will try to compete unless their legs are broken. That is whysomeone else's judgement may be more objective than the skater in question.
For Czisny I hope she will rebounce and skate better next season.
Isn't this the same type of surgery MK had? I hope Alissa's recovery goes as planned.
This may explain why she couldn't explain what was happening during her last competitions. She wasn't having pain and believed her previous leg injury was healed. Yet, she was inconsistent with jump landings but felt no pain or that something was off suggesting a definitive injury.
Here's hoping surgery goes well and she is able to come back strong. Sounds also like USFS might have been planning to give her 2 assignments but she requested only the one.
Earlier I posted Phil Hersh's article link in the GP Assignments thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3574410#post3574410
It's unfortunate that she may have been injured at Worlds, but I don't think it was a known fact or cover up like the Rachael Flatt situation. They knew, she was diagnosed, and still competed. AZ would have done better if Cziney pulled out, obviously, but I don't know if she would have been good enough to get us three spots. Gracie or Zhang would of given us a much better chance, but that would have been impossible for the US to do without an uproar. Wasn't Gao the second alternate?
Thanks Sylvia. Sounds like a serious injury and it explains why Alissa had so much trouble with her jumps. Get well soon, Alissa!
Get well soon Alissa.
I wish her a complete recovery; and return to competition, if that is what she wishes to do.
So sorry to hear about this injury, I hope the surgery goes well. Best wishes to Alissa for a smooth recovery.
Would the poor performance at the DSC send off show in December or poor practices that were alluded to prior to US Nationals or prior/during Worlds have been an indication? Would more strict monitoring be acceptable? My disappointment is with USFS at this point as the also need to do their due diligence with their athletes, and accept some responsiblity for the athletes' training, health and well being. What is the acutal mechanism that the elite performance group at USFS uses to routinely monitor their athletes? Is it the coaches who provide the daily feedback as the athletes prepare for the post-National events? Are videos provided on a weekly basis to USFS officials to review in prep for 4CC/Worlds/Olympics, etc....each person sees things differently, and perhaps Jason/Yuka were thinking that Alissa was nervous for Worlds based on the expectations, and that was just her MO before big competitions. But, what if more sets of eyes had been watching, perhaps someone like Christy Krall who does Dartfish....she might have noticed something in the way Alissa was jumping. Just a thought....
Heal quickly Alissa and come back strong!!! I'm cheering for you 100%!!!
Agreed. this has happened TWO years in a row now. If this doesn't spark changes to selection/monitoring procedures, I don't know what will.
All the best, Alissa!
Since she didn't have any pain at the time, do you think that any possible difference in her jumping technique that might have been detected would have resulted in her getting the MRI that was needed to diagnose her injury? Or are you thinking that seeing some variation in her jumping might have led to actions that could have prevented the injury? Not sure what help using Dartfish would/could have provided for Alissa.
I dont think anythong will be done. Every debate involving skaters' injury is heated and divisive and I dont see discussion on monitoring being separated from individual situations that people get emotional about.
Anyway, now that we know this is an injury and not a confidence issue,that means it is likely she can skate well again when healthy, which is a good thing.
Part of me is relieved there is a very good explanation for what happened at Worlds and Nats, and part of me is that she is injured. Speedy recovery, Alissa!
Perhaps monitoring is a good idea, and I sincerely respect your points because they are valid, but they way they choose their teams for Worlds, Olympics, etc. is such a time honored tradition and USFSA is so set in it's ways that I don't see the process changing soon. It's too progressive for them, and IMO Alissa wasn't horrible at Nationals and I am not sure Zhang or Agnes would have secured the spots needed. I am not saying Alissa isn't notorious for her inconsistency, but unless an injury was known there wasn't a reason to pull her. Michelle Kwan, for example, was a disaster before 1998 Nationals (because of various problems) and I know this from training with her and pulled it together. Oksana was injured at the Olympics and pulled it off (to my dismay and disagreement of results). The bottom line is Alissa earned her spot rightfully under the USFSA rules and she gets to go to Worlds. The USFSA is getting more progressive (ie Ricky Dornbush at 4CC-which ended up being a poor decision), so why would they change the system when the results of them changing things up have been poor thus far? WTT was a good start with Gracie, but it's still a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation right now.
Agnes Zawadzki was the 1st alternate to 2012 Worlds, Caroline Zhang was the 2nd alternate, and Mirai Nagasu was the 3rd alternate.
Dartfish, or routine video review of jumps might have shown that she was having trouble(s) with the technique....so, then you assess, why is there so much inconsistency in an element that had been routine weeks prior. From the DSC send-off, Alissa stuggled to land jumps back in December. I am not saying that she knew that there was pain in the hip...all I am saying is that she was more inconsistent in her jumps/technique than in years past. Do Jason and Yuka track those sorts of numbers on a daily basis for their skaters? I have no idea. Most coaches won't allow an athlete to include a skill in a performance/program if they are doing it successfully less than 70% of the time. What I am wondering, is if they had noticed a statistically significant decrease in her ability to land the jumps prior to the SGPF....and, to use video review, ie Dartfish, they may have noticed a chance in technique, that was due to her body compensating for the injury to the labrum...not necessarily pain, but changes in body alignment (and hence, lack of rotation, lack of height from the vault, etc). Alissa may have not felt any pain, but in the back of her mind, was she questioning why she was having less success landing her jumps. Again, another set of eyes may have seen something Alissa/Jason/Yuka did not. Trying to help find answers...
I hope Alissa recovers in time to skate at least part of next season.
Intense monitoring would cost money. Where is that going to come from? Who is going to conduct this monitoring? What if they monitor an athlete intensely and they still crash and burn at Worlds? Then do we have to go after the monitors?
And unless USFSA is going to cough up the money, every athlete having a slump can't pay for an MRI just to be sure.
But fans are never going to accept that sometimes sh*t happens. It's called life.
It's unfortunate, really.
Poor girl. No wonder she was struggling so much with the jumps. I hope all goes well.
Duh! I don't know why I thought Gao was in the mix going on National placements. (Aside for Nagasu). I forget placements at Nationals so quickly after being there so many years.
I doubt that this kind of injury can be prevented, unless you don't do an MRI an x-ray montlhy on every single skater/dancer/hockey player etc etc.
This injury doesn't cause a changement in the jump technique. It is caused by the movement you repeat multiple times a day, and according to the anatomy of your hip you could have problems or you couldn't. The anatomy of Alissa's hip and the skating movement she does caused this injury.
Word to PDilemma (particularly last sentence).
Best wishes to Alissa on healing and then competing as little or as much as SHE wants to, and can, in the future.
Michelle and Tara both.
Has anyone successfully come back from this kind of of injury?
Good luck to her and here's hoping for a full recovery.
Great question. However, I think in both MK and Tara's cases they were retiring anyway.