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Chan makes Canada top figure skating nation

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sugar, Apr 1, 2012.

  1. Sugar

    Sugar Well-Known Member

    Chan makes Canada top figure skating nation
    "Our sport is like a wave, and here, we've risen very high," said Chan.
    "Worlds next year in London will be even crazier (than Nice), or Sochi then for the Russians," he said. The son of Hong Kong immigrants who settled in Ottawa, Ontario, Chan blamed "lack of maturity" for his fifth place in Vancouver, and warned that he was getting even better.
    "Now when I skate I forget everything, I'm free."
  2. Really

    Really I need a new title

    Oh, Sugar, you do like to stir up a shitstorm, don't you?
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  3. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

    I think Virtue & Moir might help a little, too.
  4. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

    Until Canada gets another serious female contender, top status is not justified imo.
    In fact, with the loss of a Rochette, Canada has taken a step backward since the last Olys, not forward.
  5. DimaToe

    DimaToe El Chen-te Fernández

    Agreed, Canada might have been the only country to get two gold medals in Nice, but when it comes to being the "top" figure skating nation, I think that might belong to Japan for the the time being.They earned for 4 medals in 3 disciplines, which hadn't been done in 7 years.
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  6. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

    Yeah plus they better hope that Chan doesn't get hurt because there is about as much depth in Men's skating in Canada as the Canadian ladies.
  7. pair mom

    pair mom New Member

    But 1/2 of Japan's bronze in pairs is a very proud Canadian! ;)
  8. Skate Talker

    Skate Talker Replaced the display under my name

    Canada had a much better "top nation" in Goteburg with good placements in all 4 disciplines, if they ever did. Ah well.
  9. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

    I agree that Japan is quite clearly the top figure skating nation right now, despite their absolutely dismal quality in ice dance.
  10. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    Canada is very weak in ladies
    Japan is very weak in ice dance
    Russia is very weak in men

    IMO this is a three-way tie between the top 3 nations.

    USA has too many weaknesses (strong in ice dance only).
  11. Stephanie

    Stephanie Well-Known Member

    I disagree. The Russians have Plushenko, the European champ, plus Gachinski who won the bronze last year and just had a really bad meet this time around. I'd rank the Russians first overall.
  12. Beefcake

    Beefcake Guest

    Got to agree with Stephanie. With Plushenko in the mix, Russia the clear #1. (Without him, it gets a little cloudier.) #2 and #3 are debatable between USA (with tons of talent depth, albeit less so in pairs, but recent debilitating "competing" problems) and Canada (with the World's winner in two disciplines, but awful in ladies, and depth problems in men's).

    In my book, Japan cannot be considered "#1" when it's best dance team didn't make the FD, and it's got zero depth at pairs. Even with T&T's great Worlds, they're just as capable of being 11th. It was a great perfect storm for T&T ... great moment, but all the stars had to align. Remember, just a few weeks ago, T&T were only 5th at 4CC, behind four teams they beat at Worlds.
  13. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    I am not convinced that Plushenko can come back healthy enough to be competing for the podium. He has to go through extensive rehab after surgeries, and he is older. We don't know yet if he will be in competition shape next year so I am not counting him in the equation. With Gachinski's meltdown this year- it could be an aberration, and only time will tell us- Russia suddenly appears very weak in the mens field, with just one spot at the next worlds.
  14. ks1227

    ks1227 Well-Known Member

    You know, reading that article, I'm inclined to think that it's impossible to say which nation is #1, #2, etc. in figure skating. This is not just because nations are stronger in some disciplines than others, though that is true; but also because it's very rare now for a skater's success to be linked simplistically to his or her nation. Just thinking about the Canadian skaters emphasized at the beginning of the article as examples: Chan is the son of immigrants from Hong Kong, something he is increasingly emphasizing himself; and he trains in the U.S. V&M are trained by Russians in the U.S. The bronze medalists in Pairs represent Japan, but one team member actually comes from Canada (and both of the other winning pairs teams this year are also "mixed" pairs in that sense). There's a lot of cool mixing going on. So I think the whole concept of ranking nations may be anachronistic in figure skating, even though obviously you can still count how many strong skaters represent this nation or that nation. There's too much traffic between nations in coaching, training, dual citizenship representation, etc. to pretend that medal counts really tell us very much about the strength of a nation.

    Just my observation. :saint:
  15. Beefcake

    Beefcake Guest

    :) Of course you're correct.

    :wuzrobbed :fragile: ONE :fragile: :wuzrobbed
  16. query5

    query5 New Member

    yes chan did=why they cheated for him-vm.

    canada raised a fuss in 2002 due to the dance tradeoff.

    i wonder now if canada is doing the same with v/m. and patrick chan.

    yes want to make chan like michelle--isn't -never blantantly cheated for michelle-in fact mistakes was costly too her.
    even skating clean--costly to her.

    chan kept up despite mistakes.

    dance had canadian tech specialist.

    so it seems the only way canada can be on top is by bitching and cheating. n not by fair play and following the rules, more like flaunting the rules.

    arrogance doesn't sell--marketability will be affected after leave sport when public opinion decides who gets what and how much.
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  17. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

    Japan is the top nation. If Worlds didn't prove that, then someone is in serious denial.
  18. Judy

    Judy Active Member

    The strength of a nation is by medal count .. which figure skating nation won the most medals this time?

    When Russia was #1 with gold medals in every category they were rightfullly #1.

    The medal count obviously can change from year to year and probably will.

    I'm lol at the idea that some people Plushenko is coming back .. he won't.
  19. mia joy

    mia joy Well-Known Member

    Yes, Canada is the power, especially that neither of their gold medalists deserved the win :p

    I know, I know, a troublemaker I am.
  20. professordeb

    professordeb Well-Known Member

    Yes you are :p :lol: ;) so why bother baiting the bear?
  21. Polymer Bob

    Polymer Bob New Member

    If I may interject here. In less than 3 weeks, we will find out who the top figure skating nation is.
    Carry on.
  22. Judy

    Judy Active Member

    Yes when everyone is tired of competing .. the most important competition is worlds/Olympics and that will never change with any skating federation.
  23. manhn

    manhn Well-Known Member

    Also, having 2 entries in pairs and dance instead of singles would change the results.
  24. bbkenn

    bbkenn Well-Known Member

    This is such bu**sh*t!
  25. bbkenn

    bbkenn Well-Known Member

    In your dreams... Such sour grapes. Yeah Canada. Your gold medalists TOTALLY deserved your medals because V&M and Chan are clearly the Best in the World
  26. magnolia

    magnolia New Member

    I'm not denying that V/M and Patrick are great skaters, but there is no denying that the two Canadian wins---V/M's win against D/W and Patrick placing first in the long program---are the two results that are being most hotly contested amongst all of the 2012 placements.

    It sort of reinforced the image that Canadians are desperate to claw on to a gold medal even if it means jeopardizing any future that theses potential stars may have after their win/non-win, which I think is a case of incredible short-sightedness.

    Canada should just trust their most talented athletes to bring home gold for them! And if they don't, they'd still be great figure skaters!
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  27. Japanfan

    Japanfan Well-Known Member

    And Canada is doing what exactly to ensure that these fake medalists earn gold? Like, maybe Debbie Wilkes is giving Cinquanta special favours in the backrooms where deals are made. Or maybe all those dollars the Chans raised for Patrick's training are lining Cinquanta's pockets, given that Patrick is incapable of winning on his own merits?


    So Canada doesn't trust its athletes and ensures their gold medals in advance. Again, this happens how?

    I'm sure you've got plenty of hard evidence to support your argument. Maybe you should take it to the media, then. Aren't we overdue for a story on corruption in figure skating?

    Heck, given all the insider info you appear to have, magnolia, maybe you should just publish a book yourself. Then you could share your amazing knowledge of cheating in Figure Skating far and wide, and your fame would extend far beyond FSU. :)
  28. magnolia

    magnolia New Member

    Let me just say that fan criticism of certain outcomes is often taken as criticism of the skater in question, and that's not so. I admire V/M's and Patrick's skating. I really do. And I think they are perfectly capable of winning gold, if they skate without any mistakes and are not skating on their off days.

    Answer me this: why aren't Carolina's or S/S's win this time not getting similar flack?

    If all winners automatically get bashed by fans of other skaters, Carolina and S/S should get an equal amount of grief, right? All winners of every single competition should provoke the same amount of venom, but this doesn't happen. And I don't think it's just fan paranoia ganging up against Canada here either, because V/M didn't get bashed for winning Gold at Vancouver. In that case, it was crystal clear that they won, fair and square.
  29. walei

    walei Well-Known Member

    Because V/T bombed the short compare to S/S, and ladiezz silver is Leonova.
  30. Bailey_

    Bailey_ Guest

    Every discipline has waves of good times and building years... it's just the way it goes...