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Bret Michaels, from Poison, Has Brain Hemorrhage

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by GarrAarghHrumph, Apr 23, 2010.

  1. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

  2. bobalina77

    bobalina77 Duck Hunter

    oh wow.. we just watched a Poison concert on TV a little while ago. How sad :(
  3. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    What awful news! I hope that his condition is not as serious as first believed.
    "Celebrity Apprentice" reveals him to be a tireless worker, caring advocate, and good father; as he deals with the challenges brought on by Diabetes.
    (His charity on the show).
  4. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

    I've heard he's had what's called a subarachnoid hemorrhage (SAH), which is bleeding at the base of the brain stem. About half the people with SAH die from it.
  5. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    Scary stuff. I hope he pulls through ok.

    He reminds me of Pam Anderson in a way. They're both usually prejudged by the public because of their pasts and by how they somtime choose to present themselves to the media; however, if you listen and look carefully at the numerous interviews that they've done over the years, you'll see that they both come off as extremely likable.

    On a lighter note ... so the doctors would have had to shave his head bald to treat the hemorrage ? Yikes. Hair extensions are not cheap :)
  6. zhenya271

    zhenya271 Active Member

    Wow, terrible news. I hope he is part of the other half.:( He has a really positive attitude judging from the article posted above.
  7. BaileyCatts

    BaileyCatts Well-Known Member

    Was he in an accident or something where he struck his head? How does something like bleeding at the base of the brain stem just start to happen without striking your head or something like that? Honest question; how does that happen?

    I hope he will be okay.
  8. Karina1974

    Karina1974 Well-Known Member

    Oh my. I had a hemorrhage myself, in the basal ganglia region, 5 years ago. I was lucky in that I made a complete recovery.
  9. soxxy

    soxxy Guest

    Bret was hit on the head hard by a piece of scenery on the Tony Awards last June (I'm sure the video is online), but I hadn't heard of serious problems at that time.
  10. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    Some people have congenital malformations of blood vessels that begin to bleed without cause; so, it's hard to know what might have happened.
    I hope that he is in the fortunate group that recovers from this.
  11. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

    It can be caused by a head injury, but nothing that's been printed indicates that he had such an injury. Instead, the articles state that he had a sudden and extremely severe headache.
  12. Veronika

    Veronika gold dust woman

    They were a couple at one point, and there was another tape...

    "A second tape, which was made before the Tommy Lee tape, involving Anderson and musician Bret Michaels from Poison was later announced, and an abridged version of less than 60 seconds appeared on the internet. Frames of the video first appeared in Penthouse magazine in March 1998. The tape was successfully blocked by Michaels, but a four-minute sex tape is still available on the Internet."


    On a more serious note, I hope Bret recovers!!!
  13. skatemommy

    skatemommy Well-Known Member

    The ravages of living with diabetes and the rocker lifestyle I'm sure have taken it's toll. That said I've always loved Poison and Bret and really hope and pray he recovers. This is really serious. Really serious.
  14. Cupid

    Cupid Well-Known Member

    Oh, I hope he survives this tragedy. One (my mom) in a week is all I can handle.
  15. deltask8er

    deltask8er Well-Known Member

    How is a hemorrhage different from an aneurysm? (not that I really want to know :shuffle: ).


    So he's still a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice?
  16. Kasey

    Kasey Correcting President Trump's grammar on Twitter :)

    An aneurysm is a weakening of a vessel wall, anywhere in the body (most commonly heard of in the brain though); if it bursts, it will cause a hemorrhage, which is basically bleeding, from any source (in this case, in the brain).

    If he had surgery a week and half ago, he may have had some blood thinners post-operatively (a very common precaution against DVTs). That could have contributed to triggering the hemorrhage. In addition, hypertension is very commonly found conjoined with diabetes....the two together may have precipitated the event.

    I hope it's true he's stabilized.
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  17. Cupid

    Cupid Well-Known Member

    I hope TMZ is right -- that he's talking and in good spirits. If he survives, will he be 100% again, or is there going to be some brain damage?:(
  18. Karina1974

    Karina1974 Well-Known Member

    When I had mine, I first went to my MD, who sent me to an imaging place to get an MRI. The imaging place then shipped me via ambulance to a hospital in Albany, and that where I was diagnosed with an "intra-cranial hemorrhage". They sent me for an MRA so that they could rule out an aneurysm.

    Having to be in that damn tube twice in one day was not fun. Plus, the hospital didn't pipe in music for me to listen to the way that Capital Imaging had done. I'm not claustrophobic but I wanted to kick my way out of the machine the second time.

    Cupid - I would say, as someone who has gone through having a brain hemorrhage myself, that it is hard to say at this point. I remember when I had mine, that fatigue was an issue with me, as was weakness on my right side, my handwriting was affected, as was my speech and short-term memory. I was doing a lot of roller skating and walking for exercise, and I really had to dial back on that because I just didn't have the same level of energy that I had before.

    I did make a full recovery, with no "formal" therapy of any kind. I just kept on doing what I had been doing, only less of it. Less than 2 years after, I was hitting the contra dance circuit every weekend between April and October, and contra dancing is, as dancing goes, a bit like running a marathon. I will say that, when I hear of someone dying of an aneurysm, it freaks me lot a little bit, because the thought always occurs to me that that could have been me.
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  19. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    Karina, thanks for sharing your experience.
  20. IceKween

    IceKween New Member

    Did you have surgery for your SAH/intracranial bleed? Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems your main complaint for your ordeal was that there was no music playing for your MRI? Considering the gravity of the situation it strikes me as, well, odd. Death, brain death, paralysis, brain damage are all real risks. I'm glad you're okay, but that seemed strange to me to read that. I am happy you can share your story of recovery.
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2010
  21. Karina1974

    Karina1974 Well-Known Member

    Double post.
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2010
  22. Karina1974

    Karina1974 Well-Known Member

    No, I didn't have surgery. I do have to avoid taking aspririn, though, because aspirin is an anti-coagulant. I was told that Alieve is safe, though.

    Music would have really helped at that point, believe me. I've been lucky in my life that, other than being treated for Hemolytic Disease at birth, I'm not someone who has required any hospital stays or "specialized" treatments for health issues. A sprained ankle, a broken foot in a cast, a "greenstick" fracture in the other foot, stitches for a cut on my hand, a lanced boil on my left ear... that's the kind of stuff I'd dealt with up to that point. Minor shit.

    On that one day I go in for my first ever MRI, at 9:30 AM. I end up taking my first ambulance ride in my life (they didn't want me to drive myself to the hospital), found myself in a bed in the ER hooked up to (I think) an EKG machine (I had those little square stickers on my chest with wires going up to that little TV screen) and some kind of IV in my arm. I was stuck in that bed the entire day, and they thought they were going to have to keep me there overnight because there was some question about the availability of the room to do the MRA.

    Yeah, by the time I hit that tube for the 2nd time in less than 9 hours (it took place around 5:00 PM or so), I was starting to bug out. All I wanted to do was to go home at that point. They didn't discharge me until around 6:30 PM. My parents had been there, and they drove me back up to pick up my car.

    What *I* think is strange is that the word "stroke" was never mentioned to me. Not by the MD's or by the neurologist who examined me. Not even at the follow-up exam I had with the neurologist at his office about a month and a half later. I never even knew that is what I had until about a year later, when I was reading an article in, IIRC, Good Housekeeping, or Women's World, one of those women's magazines, about women who had survived strokes, and one of them had a hemorrhagic stroke, like me. I'm reading her story, as well as the others' and asking myself why the hell does this sound familiar? And reading that some of these women were still struggling with the after-effects of their own strokes... that's when it started to hit home with me. What happened, what could have happened. At that time, sometime during the summer of 2006 (the stroke had occured on August 4, 2005 but everything I've written about occured on the 18th), I was fully "back in the saddle" with no after-effects by that point.
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  23. Karina1974

    Karina1974 Well-Known Member

    Whoops... triple post.:duh: I think I need to go out and get some fresh air.
  24. AragornElessar

    AragornElessar Well-Known Member

    Karina...First off, I'm really glad you're okay w/no after effects. Someone was w/out a doubt looking over you that day. Second...I'm someone who's had far too many medical things, so kind of "used to" having tests and invasive stuff done to me. However when I had my one and only MRI a few years ago to take a look at my left knee to figure out what was going on and if I'd need surgery, I would have loved music piped in or whatever to make things easier.

    I'm not claustropbic or have a problem w/being in small places at all, but I found I was having what I call "Panic Breathing" and gasping for breath and no idea why!! It would have been great if something was there to distract me or help me relax a bit more. I mean...I wasn't even nervous about the thing, so couldn't figure out what on earth was going on.

    Can't even begin to imagine how I would have felt if I was in Karina's shoes and having to go through all of that for the first time for such an Emergency situation. I think anyone would have been freaking out by then IMO. Especially when there was music piped in at the first one and, in turn, you think that's how it is everywhere you have an MRI done.

    And I've been there and done that when it comes to Colonoscopies. Had a great staff who was understanding and compassionate when I had my first one in Toronto and who listened to me about a few things. So naturally thought that's how they all went. Was I in for a nasty shock.

    My next three were at home in Sudbury and was so traumatic thanks to the Staff that never again!!! Never will I go through another one at home, but thanks to the way I was "treated" by that group of so called Medical Professionals, that just even talking about having one w/my Family Dr starts the shakes.

    When you're only hearing "I wish music had been piped in like it was at the MRI I had in the morning, as it would have really helped..." or something simliar regarding the same test in different places, there's usually more to that statement than someone simply "whining". What appears/sounds to someone else as something really trivial considering what's going on to need the test, that same "trivial" thing can make a huge difference to the person undergoing the test/proceedure.

    I'm really happy that you're okay Karina. (((HUGS)))

    I hope that TMZ's right about this one. Bret's always come across as a nice guy outside of his persona for the band/whatever he's doing reality show wise. Really, really hope Bret's come through the worst of it.
  25. Lacey

    Lacey Well-Known Member

    Wow, that's all big stuff, Bret Michaels and Karina.
  26. Karina1974

    Karina1974 Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Aragorn. :)

    Colonoscopy... that's a procedure that doesn't sound too pleasant, from what I've read about it. There was a thread on that subject here not too long ago. I've never had tests like that done to me.

    I hope Bret's OK too. Like I said, every time I hear about someone who's had this condition, or who's passed on due to aneurysm (that happened to one of my favorite singer/songwriters a few years back :(), my sympathy goes out to them.
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  27. silverstars

    silverstars New Member

    As someone who has been through many tests in her life, including MRIs, you'd be surprised by how much of an effect music can have. The first time I had an MRI, they played music off of my iPod and I was fine--not comfortable, obviously, but okay. The second time, they didn't, and lying in that tube, knowing that something was possibly wrong with me, and having nothing to take my mind off of the enclosed space and my nerves was torture...and that was without the horrific day that Karina had (I'm glad you're okay!). It sounds like a trivial thing, but music's effect on the brain is quite powerful and can certainly make tests like an MRI bearable.

    I hope that Bret's okay. I can't say that I'm a big fan of Rock of Love, but I read an article about him and his family. He sounded like a completely devoted dad, and his two young girls are adorable. I really, really hope that he is able to pull through this for them.
  28. IceKween

    IceKween New Member

    I understand, everyone's experience is unique. I've had an MRI in the past year and I can't even remember if there was music playing my mind was thinking about ten million things. It's funny how people remember different things during treatment.
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2010
  29. kimkom

    kimkom Two Pot Screamer

    My dad had a ruptured aneurysm when he was 36 years old, and although it was touch and go for quite some time, he came through the surgery with flying colours. The specialist who did the surgery told him that his fantastic attitude was a huge factor in his recovery, and asked him to counsel a few other patients who were in hospital at the time with the same condition. He did end up with a very minor personality change, but other than that, no issues.

    I have a soft spot for Bret Michaels for some reason. He comes across as really caring and intelligent despite the rock star persona. I hope he makes a quick, full recovery! I hope he wins Celebrity Apprentice too! :)
  30. reckless

    reckless Well-Known Member

    Isn't the finale of Celebrity Apprentice done live? Even assuming Bret Michaels made it that far, what are the odds he could even participate?