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Ban Rach/Paganini?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by haribobo, Oct 31, 2010.

Ban Piano Concerto No. 2 by Sergei Rachmaninov?

  1. Ban! This music is dead to me.

    13 vote(s)
  2. Allow! More Rach the better.

    48 vote(s)
  1. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

    So I'm watching Adam Rippon's FS, and what is the music? Piano Concerto No. 2 by Sergei Rachmaninov :yawn: This is now the most overused music EVER EVER EVER. Time for ban?
  2. vodkashot

    vodkashot Active Member

    I voted allow, mostly because the music of Rachmaninoff is so undeniably beautiful. When placed in the hands of the right skaters (e.g. Alexander Abt in 2002), the effect is dazzling.

    But to a large extent I do agree with the OP--why does everyone keep using the same cuts of movements 1 and 2 of Rachmaninoff's piano concerto No. 2, when there's a wealth of material out there, including his vastly-underused (and equally beautiful and grand) third movement that hardly anyone ever uses? There is also Rachmaninoff's criminally underused Piano Concerto No.3, his trio elegiaques, his etudes....

    Instead, everyone seems to only have access to the same Rachmaninoff to the Masses CD, exclusively featuring movements 1 and 2 of his Piano Concerto No.2, and Rhapsody on a Theme by Paganini, perhaps his most pedestrian work. Ugh!
  3. literaryfreak

    literaryfreak Well-Known Member

    I love Rach 2. Have any ice dancers ever used it? I've been waiting for a dance program to it. How about Meryl and Charlie? :D
  4. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Hates both vegemite and peanut butter

    There are other pieces of music I would ban before banning Rach. POTO is the first one, then RFAD.

    Unfortunately when you hear bad cuts of the classical music in skating programs, it kind of spoils it when you actually go and see a concert where the piece is played in full.
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  5. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    Oh ! The thread title is not the same as the poll title ! I wuzrobbed !!!!

    I love Piano Concerto n°2, and I think there are still many new choreographies to do on this !
    But Variation by Rach on a theme by Paganini is dead, definitely ! lol
  6. millyskate

    millyskate Well-Known Member

    I want to ban any string massacres of piano music, particularly Chopin nocturnes.
  7. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    No, never! But I wouldn't mind banning Tchaikovsky's R&J, at least for a while . . . :shuffle:
  8. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    I'd ban crossover.
  9. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    Wheee ! I'm for a year without Carmen, then a year without Rach, then a year without Tchaikovsky ... ;)
  10. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

    Yea, sorry about that. I was pretty sure I was talking about the Variations by Paganini, but I started second guessing myself, so I just copied and pasted the song from Rippon's bio. I didn't mind Michelle's 98 SP music at all. Its just that dang Paganini stuff. :mad:
  11. mishieru07

    mishieru07 New Member

    How about Carmen, Turandot (No more Nessun Dorma please!!!), Swan Lake, R&J (Rota and Tchaikovsky), Scheherezade and all the good ol' skating warhorses too? I think we can add Amelie to the list soon.

    Considering tha huge number of classical songs alone, nevermind pop/jazz/contemporary pieces, I really don't understand why people trudge out the same old pieces year after year. Don't they get bored?
  12. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

    Several possible reasons:

    They never listen to (nonvocal) music except in the rink, so they're only bored with music that gets overplayed at their rink. Even if they hear the music used by skaters they compete against a few times a year, it's not often enough for them to get bored of it.

    They never listen to (nonvocal) music except in the rink, so they have no idea what's out there, aren't really interested in music so they don't care, and just choose something they've heard before because at least they know it exists.

    If a skater they admire skated to music they like, their feelings upon hearing it aren't "this again? how boring" but rather "I can't wait until I can skate to that music too!" Especially if it's a classic.

    Because of all of the above, if someone from a different rink skated to that music last year, that may make it all the more likely that another skater will want to choose it this year.

    Or they tried to find something less overused to skate to, listened to hundreds of CDs, played some to skate around to on the ice, but found that the rhythms or phrasing of those pieces didn't work well with their skating rhythms and the phrasings of their jump setups, or it was too hard to cut the interesting parts of the music into the right length for a program or section of a program, or it sounded really bad over the rink loudspeakers compared to how it sounded at home. Then they tried an overused piece and found that it fit the needs of their skating just right. There's a reason some pieces get overused and some never get used. What was Dick Button's quote about this with Carmen as the example?

    But there definitely could be a market for music specialists to sift through lesser known pieces of music, find pieces with skatable phrasing and orchestrations that sound good in rink acoustics, and cut them into appropriate lengths for various levels and disciplines.

    And once a prominent skater chooses one of those lesser known pieces and has success with it, hordes of other skaters will start using it starting the following year.
  13. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

    Great post! :respec: I agree with Dick that Carmen works amazingly for skating and honestly I never get that tired of it like I do for most other pieces. I wish more coaches/parents would step in and veto some of the more obnoxiously overused pieces. The abundance of skaters using overused pieces make me appreciate the Angela Maxwell's and Castelli/Shnapir's of the skating world so much more, who frequently go their own way and use really cool new pieces of music.
  14. Muffin

    Muffin New Member

    What do those letters stand for?
  15. burntBREAD

    burntBREAD Active Member

    Phantom Of The Opera

    Requiem For A Dream

  16. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    I can never get enough of Rach 2. :)