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Ashley Wagner Cheer Thread #2: One Day I'll Fly Away...

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by bronwynsings, Nov 24, 2014.

  1. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

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    Me too! :( I guess it's probably best for her to focus on training right now, though.
     
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  2. NinjaTurtles

    NinjaTurtles Teenage Mutant

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  3. Sylvia

    Sylvia Anticipating Challenge Cup & JR Worlds!

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  4. DimaToe

    DimaToe World Silver Member

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    :cheer: :cheer2: that she isn't planning on retiring right after PyeongChang, there's still plenty of sonograms that she needs to compete with :D
     
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  5. all_empty

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    Yes, CAA is the superior agency. I love their building.
     
  6. AxelAnnie

    AxelAnnie Well-Known Member

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  7. topaz

    topaz Well-Known Member

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    I am so proud of Ashley's performance. Granted she missed the 2toe but the 3/3 combos looked better. I wanted to be National champion but she's going to worlds.
     
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  8. cbd1235

    cbd1235 Well-Known Member

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    Continually pleasantly surprised by her FS this season, that was a great skate and IMO under-rewarded for its maturity, class, and ability to cast a spell on viewers. I do think she needs to move the 2T off the lutz at the end, maybe back to the 2nd 2A or to the 3F or something. Even if she lands the combo (like at Skate America), it just doesn't have the impact that landing a solo lutz at the end of the program does. Her 3-2 combos are not stellar. If she doesn't land it, well, it's points thrown away and it takes away from the spell of the program.

    I was very meh to her SP here at nats....I loved her SP at Skate America, but here it was such a weak performance from a skating and selling standpoint. Her footwork was a disaster imo, she's capable of so much better. She needs to really work on the edges in this program, to have maximal impact. But boy oh boy, the opening is the best thing since sliced bread.
     
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  9. artsciboy

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    I'm proud of Ashley - strong case for 1st, but whatever US judges!

    That said, I don't think "Sweet Dreams" as a program is registering that well with judges either nationally or internationally. Its a great show program, but that's the biggest issue - its a show program. I think Ashley should really consider going back to "Hip Hip Chin Chin" at 4CCs and Worlds.
     
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  10. AngieNikodinovLove

    AngieNikodinovLove Well-Known Member

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    I tend to agree with you on this but then I think she did with the SP with this program at SA, yes?
     
  11. artsciboy

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    I think the performance quality was there at SA - that said, the criticism of Sweet Dreams was still there back in October - the program doesn't give her the opportunity to show much flow and has lots of two-footed skating. I don't recall that much criticism for Hip Hip Chin Chin.
     
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  12. stillalive

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    Yep, I was noticing it at Nationals.
     
  13. Marco

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    I was actually a bit disappointed that without the interruption of GPF, her programs (TR, CH) and her skating (spins, jump rotations) didn't improve more here. I wonder if that's the message that USFS was giving her here by not giving her the win. I mean, that kind of PCS differential between her and Karen was not realistic internationally.
     
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  14. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    That's an interesting theory.
     
  15. bardtoob

    bardtoob Former Choreographer for Anna Maria Tragikova

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    Mark me as impressed. I watched both the NBC broadcast of the 2017 Nationals LP and then again on YouTube, and Ashley is really showing herself to be a great competitor under pressure.
     
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  16. Sylvia

    Sylvia Anticipating Challenge Cup & JR Worlds!

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  17. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

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    I think a fitting song for Ashley next season is "And I Am Telling You... I am Not Going"
     
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  18. olympic

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    With regard to the conversation upthread about the 3Z-2T, I think in order to stay near the top, Ashley needs to try different things to gain points even if they are only micro-increases. BTW, I was fascinated by her attempt at a 3F-3T in the 2nd half of her LP at WTT last April. I doubt she can do it but IMO that mode of thinking is correct to keep up.
     
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  19. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

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    I think a doable layout for Ashley is:

    2axel
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    3loop2toe2loop
    3flip
    3loop-2axel
    3lutz

    She will lose a little BV due to having a jump sequence and putting the 3sal up front, but she will have one less big trick to worry about UR and can focus totally on the 3flip3toe.

    Most importantly, work those spins!
     
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  20. Simone411

    Simone411 I'm Clippy and I'm an Ashleyholic

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    @Marco, I like your kind of thinking. I believe Clippy does, too! :cheer2::lol:
     
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  21. Coco

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    3l2toe was a low scoring combination for her back in 2012ish. I'd be surprised if she could put a 2t2l on it. Maybe 3sal2toe2loop?

    I would love it if she brought back the big spread eagle into 3loop...and the 2a into split falling leaf.
     
  22. AngieNikodinovLove

    AngieNikodinovLove Well-Known Member

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    Can someone educate us and tell us how Ash loses levels on her spins????
     
  23. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

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    Well her spins are all planned to be level 4 - but often she is either too slow or running of time and has to cut her spins short.
     
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  24. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

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    Ashley also has to be very careful about how much spin practice she does as spinning has caused her, I believe, more than one concussion.
     
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  25. cbd1235

    cbd1235 Well-Known Member

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    I'll lose my mind if Ashley skates to La La Land :swoon:
     
  26. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

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    Well she has said she does not practice spins all that often for that very reason.
     
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    How do spins cause concussions for her but not in other skaters? Does it aggravate a previous condition she had? Or is this a wider problem that hasn't been discussed much?
     
  28. RD

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    I think it has to do with movement of the brain inside the skull - more precisely, bumping against the skull and "bruising" as a result (not a doctor, someone correct me if I'm off)...and while most people immediately think falling on or bumping your head when they think of concussion, if you spin fast enough and violently enough, the same forces can come into play. Any violent (enough) and/or jerky movement of the head, really.

    I'd say for figure skaters, it's probably a combination of spin moves and hard/unexpected falls that contribute to concussions there.
     
  29. RD

    RD Well-Known Member

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    While that is unfortunate, the fact remains that she often gives up valuable points as a result of losing steam on spins. Often it means the difference between medal and no medal - or color of medal. Again though, it's all risk management and she must ultimately decide if it's worth it to her or not.
     
  30. mag

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    Unfortunately, the longer I am involved with figure skating the more I realize that it is all about risk management. So few skaters, if any, are able to compete for years without ongoing injuries that will not heal as long as they continue to skate. They just manage them as best they can. Like with the boot issue we talked about earlier, I find I am a lot less quick to judge when a skater makes what looks like an easy mistake. Figure skating is extremely hard on the body and the requirements at the junior and senior level are very unforgiving.
     
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