Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by bronwynsings, Nov 24, 2014.
Me too! I guess it's probably best for her to focus on training right now, though.
I think CAA is generally regarded as the superior agency at this point. Hopefully this means more endorsements and such in the future for Ashley.
Recap of Ashley's pre-Nationals media teleconference call yesterday: http://olympics.nbcsports.com/2017/01/11/ashley-wagner-figure-skating-nationals-championships/
Link to the audio recording of her media call: http://web.icenetwork.com/video/topic/213147480/v1219205083
that she isn't planning on retiring right after PyeongChang, there's still plenty of sonograms that she needs to compete with
Yes, CAA is the superior agency. I love their building.
Just love her!
I am so proud of Ashley's performance. Granted she missed the 2toe but the 3/3 combos looked better. I wanted to be National champion but she's going to worlds.
Continually pleasantly surprised by her FS this season, that was a great skate and IMO under-rewarded for its maturity, class, and ability to cast a spell on viewers. I do think she needs to move the 2T off the lutz at the end, maybe back to the 2nd 2A or to the 3F or something. Even if she lands the combo (like at Skate America), it just doesn't have the impact that landing a solo lutz at the end of the program does. Her 3-2 combos are not stellar. If she doesn't land it, well, it's points thrown away and it takes away from the spell of the program.
I was very meh to her SP here at nats....I loved her SP at Skate America, but here it was such a weak performance from a skating and selling standpoint. Her footwork was a disaster imo, she's capable of so much better. She needs to really work on the edges in this program, to have maximal impact. But boy oh boy, the opening is the best thing since sliced bread.
I'm proud of Ashley - strong case for 1st, but whatever US judges!
That said, I don't think "Sweet Dreams" as a program is registering that well with judges either nationally or internationally. Its a great show program, but that's the biggest issue - its a show program. I think Ashley should really consider going back to "Hip Hip Chin Chin" at 4CCs and Worlds.
I tend to agree with you on this but then I think she did with the SP with this program at SA, yes?
I think the performance quality was there at SA - that said, the criticism of Sweet Dreams was still there back in October - the program doesn't give her the opportunity to show much flow and has lots of two-footed skating. I don't recall that much criticism for Hip Hip Chin Chin.
Yep, I was noticing it at Nationals.
I was actually a bit disappointed that without the interruption of GPF, her programs (TR, CH) and her skating (spins, jump rotations) didn't improve more here. I wonder if that's the message that USFS was giving her here by not giving her the win. I mean, that kind of PCS differential between her and Karen was not realistic internationally.
That's an interesting theory.
Mark me as impressed. I watched both the NBC broadcast of the 2017 Nationals LP and then again on YouTube, and Ashley is really showing herself to be a great competitor under pressure.
Ashley has staked early claim on her FS music for next season: https://twitter.com/AshWagner2010/status/827229430347026432
Here's The Rub: S1:E12 Ashley Wagner
Olympic Figure Skater Ashley Wagner takes Nikolai to her ice rink to find out what really goes down in the Olympic Village, her love of pie, and Beyonce. Nikolai then shows Ashley how to Put a new spin on skating attire. Feb 1, 2017 11 mins TV14
I think a fitting song for Ashley next season is "And I Am Telling You... I am Not Going"
With regard to the conversation upthread about the 3Z-2T, I think in order to stay near the top, Ashley needs to try different things to gain points even if they are only micro-increases. BTW, I was fascinated by her attempt at a 3F-3T in the 2nd half of her LP at WTT last April. I doubt she can do it but IMO that mode of thinking is correct to keep up.
I think a doable layout for Ashley is:
She will lose a little BV due to having a jump sequence and putting the 3sal up front, but she will have one less big trick to worry about UR and can focus totally on the 3flip3toe.
Most importantly, work those spins!
@Marco, I like your kind of thinking. I believe Clippy does, too!
3l2toe was a low scoring combination for her back in 2012ish. I'd be surprised if she could put a 2t2l on it. Maybe 3sal2toe2loop?
I would love it if she brought back the big spread eagle into 3loop...and the 2a into split falling leaf.
Can someone educate us and tell us how Ash loses levels on her spins????
Well her spins are all planned to be level 4 - but often she is either too slow or running of time and has to cut her spins short.
Ashley also has to be very careful about how much spin practice she does as spinning has caused her, I believe, more than one concussion.
I'll lose my mind if Ashley skates to La La Land
Well she has said she does not practice spins all that often for that very reason.
How do spins cause concussions for her but not in other skaters? Does it aggravate a previous condition she had? Or is this a wider problem that hasn't been discussed much?
I think it has to do with movement of the brain inside the skull - more precisely, bumping against the skull and "bruising" as a result (not a doctor, someone correct me if I'm off)...and while most people immediately think falling on or bumping your head when they think of concussion, if you spin fast enough and violently enough, the same forces can come into play. Any violent (enough) and/or jerky movement of the head, really.
I'd say for figure skaters, it's probably a combination of spin moves and hard/unexpected falls that contribute to concussions there.
While that is unfortunate, the fact remains that she often gives up valuable points as a result of losing steam on spins. Often it means the difference between medal and no medal - or color of medal. Again though, it's all risk management and she must ultimately decide if it's worth it to her or not.
Unfortunately, the longer I am involved with figure skating the more I realize that it is all about risk management. So few skaters, if any, are able to compete for years without ongoing injuries that will not heal as long as they continue to skate. They just manage them as best they can. Like with the boot issue we talked about earlier, I find I am a lot less quick to judge when a skater makes what looks like an easy mistake. Figure skating is extremely hard on the body and the requirements at the junior and senior level are very unforgiving.