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Any news on Alissa Czisny?

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by joemauerlover, Oct 29, 2012.

  1. misskarne

    misskarne #AustraliaForTheTeamEvent

    That word does not mean what you think it means.

    Alissa is an adult. She's also very experienced. If she felt she was ready, then she felt she was ready. I can sympathise with her. She wanted to go back. And so she decided to. Whether that was the right decision or not, well, that's up in the air. It doesn't sound like the new injury is related to the old one.

    There is something in this world called BAD LUCK. Some people don't have much of it, some people get an unfairly large allotment of it. With all due respect, guys, sh*t happens. It's awful that it happened and I feel terrible for her, but I don't think accusing her coaches of pushing her too early is helpful, nor do I think questioning her judgement is helpful at this point.
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  2. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    She is probably laid up after her reduction, poor thing.
  3. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    I noted there was no mention of "surgery" in today's USFS press release, so maybe we should wait for additional information to be officially released.
  4. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    Sometimes surgery is necessary to perform an open reduction but you are right, judging from the press release, sounds like it was closed.
  5. leafygreens

    leafygreens Well-Known Member

    How is this competition unwise judgement? If she went straight to nationals, she would have been even more out of practice, and had the horrible fall in front of the entire country. At least not many people saw it.
  6. jeffisjeff

    jeffisjeff Well-Known Member

    Is closed better than open?
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  7. Lacey

    Lacey Well-Known Member

    I am not qualified to say anything here, but you guys jumped into some other language, does closed verses open reduction mean reversal of the dislocation with or without surgery.
  8. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    Ballet dancers do a lot of bad things to their bodies, but the connection between lower bone density and the physical act of dancing ballet is not conclusive. The latest research shows that stomping increases bone density, and, logically, the amount of landings they do might increase bone density, whereas other research shows that girls who begin to smoke in adolescence have lower bone density than girls who don't. Given the historic prevalence of smoking among dancers starting young and continuing citing weight control, smoking may be the main connection.
  9. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

    Yes. Open means surgical. I only know that b/c my broken leg surgery was officially called "open reduction and internal fixation". The reduction was the alignment of the bone and the fixation was the rod and screws. In Alissa's case, I assume reduction refers to the alignment of her hip. Maybe surgery wasn't needed...hopefully.
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  10. BittyBug

    BittyBug And the band played on

    Isn't delayed menarche (something that is not uncommon in ballet dancers due to calorie deprivation) also associated with lower bone density?
  11. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    Sometimes logic doesn't pan out in research. Rhythmic gymnasts also have lower bone density and they are not known to smoke. The mechanism is attributed to a host of factors including leptin levels, late onset of puberty and food intake below the recommended for the age group. So yes, BB you are correct.

    Yes, open reduction means surgery, closed means no surgery but rather manipulation.
  12. nylynnr

    nylynnr Well-Known Member

    Puzzled by assumptions there was surgery, because there was no mention of surgery in the USFS release.
  13. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    I thought I saw it somewhere upthread but in the press release it didn't sound like she had it, so likely no surgery.
  14. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    Yes, to the delayed menarche question.
  15. Lacey

    Lacey Well-Known Member

    So, the above quote might have been one reason why some presumed that surgery had taken place. I'm not sure the clocks here are synched with real time as this definitely was up there before 3:35 am, which I presume is Eastern US time, but I definitely read it before I went to bed at midnight. At any rate, with the USFS press release today, I am reading it differently than I did last night. Maybe the poster meant that she was out of the doctor's immediate consultation and care, but it did seem to be a very quick (and very much appreciated) response if surgery had happened and she was already out of recovery. I have a feeling it was (fortunately) a lesser level of treatment, especially if she seems to now be returned home, per USFS release.

    I'm not sure if her team will step forward and give us anything specific, and it is certainly their right to have her condition remain private. We didn't hear too much with the labral tear, so I'm guessing we will see her when she is further along.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2013
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  16. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    Thank you! Yes, that was the post that caused me to think she'd had surgery. In any case, I wish her a speedy recovery.
  17. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

    When you first joined FSU, you selected a setting for your time zone. In your case, you must have selected Eastern Time.

    I realize that people who live in the Eastern Time Zone think that the whole world runs on Eastern Time, but it doesn't really. :p
  18. sarahspins

    sarahspins New Member

    A closed reduction could still require anesthesia and a similar recovery (stay in the hospital) just from the effects of the anesthesia (compounded with the pain of course relating to the dislocation).
  19. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

  20. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    Oh god it's not even OBO. :scream:

    Total waste of time for everybody involved. :p

    I mean if you're not actually getting judged and getting your elements called, you might as well send a YT link to various judges to get feedback. :p

    There was no mention of anything in the USFS release. :p
  21. Susan M

    Susan M Well-Known Member

    Bear in mind, most of the competitors at an event like this are not looking to make a World team. They are working toward smaller goals of their own.

    I think the USFS does usually arrange to have some ISU-qualified tech specialists/judges on hand as observers to provide the necessary feedback. For someone like Czisny, one of the benefits of an event like this is the chance to compete her program in front of an audience and judges and to test the pacing of the program. Skaters always say the program feels a little different in competition than in your training rink (most likely the extra nerves/adrenalin). Wasn't it Moskvina who likened the first competition with a new program to the first pancake? It's never as good as the second or third one will be.

    I don't think the nature of the event really had anything to do with her injury. It sounds like this was a bad landing/fall that could just as easily have happened in training.
  22. elka_sk8

    elka_sk8 Well-Known Member

    Just reading all this now. :( Poor Alissa! She had worked so hard to come back, and now this. Best wishes to her for a speedy and thorough recovery!
  23. rfisher

    rfisher Will you rise like a phoenix or be a burnt chicken

    Actually, while this is very disappointing for her for this season, she likely didn't do any significant nerve damage and hopefully will make a full recovery in a relatively short time. The fact they were able to reduce the dislocation very quickly is very hopeful toward her long term recovery as an athlete. She should recover from the injury just fine and hopefully continue her skating career if that is her wish.
  24. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    From reading the update, sounds like she was sedated and had a closed reduction. Speedy recovery to Alissa!

    Great! Really looking for silver lining here.

    The (obvious) reason she skated in Appleton:
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  25. Lacey

    Lacey Well-Known Member

    I am so glad Jason made a statement for Alissa's team, and further, that everyone seems however upbeat.
  26. UMBS Go Blue


    Wow, thank goodness Alissa was able to get such expert treatment right away.

    While a full return to competitive skating would be icing on the cake and certainly seems possible given the tone of Jason's statement, here's wishing Alissa a full, measured recovery and a clean bill of health, first and foremost.

  27. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    Echoing your thoughts.
  28. DaiKozOda

    DaiKozOda Active Member

    I'm so sorry for Alissa. :(
  29. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

    I am sad for Alissa, but - what is this? Why should anyone think that Korpi might end her competitive career because of this? Her Achilles tendon is inflamed, not torn. Surgery is not needed for that, and I believe that with the right treatment Korpi could be ready for Worlds. Of course, she has to be careful, as this seems to be her weak spot. It's better not to overdo, putting too much stress on the tendon.

    Anyway, Korpi was at the Finnish Sport's Gala two days ago, and there was a video interview with her and Stephane Lambiel (he was there to promote the 'Art on Ice' show which will be in Helsinki for the first time this February). The interviewer asked Stephane to wish something to Kiira for Sochi, and nothing indicated that she doesn't intend to compete there.