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`Am not too fond of the USA' - Vaitsekhovskaya's interview with Leonova

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by TAHbKA, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

    He pretty much brings his group with him when he travels, so they can train with him. He tends to use the same rinks when he travels, when possible. So for example, there are certain rinks in the NJ/CT area he uses again and again. He also knows a lot of people -former students, other coaches - that he can use to help him find a local rink if, for some reason, the rink he normally uses isn't available.

    But yes, this does sound like a lot of work, doesn't it?
  2. VarBar

    VarBar Well-Known Member

    That's probably as true as your post about how the ISU illegally added Transitions to the other program components right in the 2010 Olympic season to help the North-American skaters win the title in Vancouver.;)

    Keep up the good work, lala.:kickass:
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  3. Willowway

    Willowway Well-Known Member

    Thank you! and


    I think it is as simple as that.
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2013
  4. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    Yes, a lot of work. To arrange accommodation for group of 10-15 people, enough training time, are they going to be able to get from rink to accommodation, or do they need also transport, is there somewhere place to eat or what will everyone be eating (I imagine they spend at the rink most of the day, so if possible the food shops/restaurants should be nearby so that they don't waste possible ice time....) Will they all need to sharpen their blades somewhere? (I doubt they would trust the rink sharpened to do their blades) .... and the same tasks to arrange for next week at another place... surprising he has time to coach. One would think that he spends most of his time on the phone.
  5. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    That's weird. You'd think for a city that would hold a festival that would attract tourists, they'd have cabs for those visitors after dark. I mean Louisville may not be the most happening place, but it isn't exactly the middle-of-nowhere.
  6. Katarzyna

    Katarzyna Well-Known Member

    To be honest, I don’t think Russians preferred Plushy as he was training in Russia and Yags in the U.S. Berezhnaya / Sikharulide or L/A were also training in the U.S. that time and were beloved in their country. I think taste is also a matter of culture and Russians simply seem to love Plushy’s style. :)

    In addition Yagudin obviously didn`t care much for competitions in his home country. It was pretty much ridiculous when he so often complained about how bad Russian judges treat him as he never won Russian Nats, cause that was the competition where he usually skated his seasons worst. – Which actually was a clever move in order to build up shape towards Euros and Worlds, but then he should have accepted being beaten by Plushy at Nats and not started whining how badly he has been treated by Russian judges. And I don’t think that such statements made him very popular among those Russian figure skating fans who knew that Plushy skated better than Yags at these events. :shuffle:

    Talking about Leonova I really wish Vaitsekhovskaya would have gone into more detail on the issue with the U.S. Leonova didn’t really answer her question (--> what exactly) and instead of digging deeper she let the answer stand as a stereotype and used it luridly as headline. :rolleyes:
  7. smileyskate

    smileyskate Active Member

    Love it when we get translated interviews here. I do think in part she gave the Russian PC answer, but also she is not alone in not really liking it in the USA. Remember Carolina tried living in California and did not like it. Also, Maxim did not like it at all, including how people communicate with each other and even that the food tastes like plastic.
  8. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

    I think it's as simple as a bunch of people having a cow over a chance remark that wasn't even that derogatory towards our country and more about how lonely and unsettled she finds life as a Morosov skater. It's definitely not for everyone.

    Louisville shuts down after dark. IME, anyway.
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  9. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

    There's really nothing derogatory in anything that Leonova said about either the United States or Canada, as far as I can tell. It is possible to dislike certain aspects of visiting a country without disparaging the country as a whole.

    What rubs me (and several other people) the wrong way is that she has been handed a tremendous opportunity to travel the world and even go to the Olympics and all she does is moan about how it isn't exactly like what she's used to back in Novogorsk.
  10. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

    No, the rink would not usually allow that. The rink's cafe would be the exclusive supplier of even catering.
  11. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    It doesn't rub me the wrong way. I traveled a lot for work and loved it -- I commuted from Seattle to Buffalo every week for two months -- and some of my co-workers who got sent to Paris three times a year hated it. A friend just turned down a spouse's junket, all expenses paid, to some festival in Brazil. I also know people who love to travel for vacation and hate to travel for work: the change in routine affects how effective they think they are, and they miss their families.

    For Leonova it's a necessary evil of training with Morozov, and that's fine.
  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    This is not what I said, so stop being an ass for the sake of it. Population density is not relevant here.

    There is a substantial difference between a village or a small town and suburban sprawl.

    There's also a substantial difference between cities built using traditional urban planning and ones like LA.

    Which is what I was talking about.

    Skaters don't have that choice, though. They go where the rinks are located.
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2013
  13. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    I can understand why a rink wouldn't allow a caterer to set up shop in the rink, but skaters are allowed to bring in their own food and drink to practice, and caterers can make lunch boxes that skaters can take with them and dinners that can be stored in mini-fridges and heated with microwaves that are found in many residential hotels.
  14. Prancer

    Prancer Slave to none, master to all Staff Member

    Yes, but the comments in this particular conversation, including mine, were made in response to this:

    And? Not everyone sees travel as a tremendous opportunity. If she doesn't like to travel, it's not some sort of insult to those who do.
  15. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

    once, in Lake Placid after a week, we spotted a guy selling fresh fruit and veg out of truck and stopped to buy as if we were seeing water in a desert! the guy said he came once a week at Dubova's request so that her skaters could buy healthy food.
  16. AndyWarhol

    AndyWarhol Well-Known Member

    exactly. for many people travel is a burden.
  17. elka_sk8

    elka_sk8 Well-Known Member

    I totally didn't interpret the interview as "bashing" the U.S. at all. She isn't comfortable over here, so what? The training situation sounds less than ideal, with a coach who can't devote enough time to each skater, having to live out of a suitcase and eat rink food, etc. Does she speak much English? Not being fluent in the native language would likely make things even harder. I feel bad for her, but I guess it comes with the coach. Is there anyone else she could switch to?

    And if my introduction to the U.S. was New Jersey, I'm not sure i'd be so fond of it either. :p
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  18. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    I have a perfect solution for the travel-averse Leonova: compete at home.
  19. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

    Sometimes people make sacrifices to get their goals. For Leonova, her sacrifices include having to move around and live places she doesn't really want to. I don't understand why that's such a big deal. I think it's great that she's willing to do what it takes to get what she wants even if it means she can't sleep in her own bed in her own country ever night it seems as she'd prefer.

    Personally I love new places and new people but for a lot of people that wears them out.
  20. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    It's not a big deal. It is in keeping with an obnoxious trend I've been noticing and commented on earlier.
  21. OliviaPug

    OliviaPug Well-Known Member

    Leonova's comments say more about her, her training situation and the limitations and isolation that result from it, than the United States. It's a big country. Seems to me, Leonova has had a very limited experience, in part due to her training regimen and the boundaries put in place by Morozov. In other words, I'd hardly call Leonova an authority on anything in the U.S. but her own, limited experience. She'd have to spend some time traveling and eating without the restrictions her current situation places on her to really have a fair impression. I wouldn't be happy in her situation -- regardless of the country I was training in.

  22. Holley Calmes

    Holley Calmes Well-Known Member

    HEY! (Said in my best pseudo-Jersey shoutout) Really, southern New Jersey is beautiful. I don't know the northern NYC burbs well, although I've been to Old Tappan, and it was lovely. Southern Jersey has a lot to recommend it. I'm there 4-5 times a year. I might move up there-Philly is a great city. Just had to come to the support of a great place.

    BTW - in my previous post I wasn't really talking exclusively about Leonova....
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  23. OliviaPug

    OliviaPug Well-Known Member

    I concur. South Jersey's beaches are very beautiful.

  24. Holley Calmes

    Holley Calmes Well-Known Member

    As are the townships dating from the early 18th century, and Haddonfield.....Maybe Leonova needs a little vacay and taken on a tour of the real USA outside the rink. I mean this in a nice way. Poor girl. I'm sure it's hard to be ripped away and taken to a strange place with strange customs and food, and then have to perform perfectly. That's a lot to ask of anyone.
  25. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

    One thing about NJ beaches--it's those flies that bite. If Leonova complained about that, I'd agree wholeheartedly. I don't recall anything like that in Europe.
  26. alchemy void

    alchemy void blowing kisses with bitchface

    Perkova is dead. :(

    I wish she would try a new coach--anyone. The best thing about her skating was her infectious perk and interpretation that hit you over the head. She's lost that this year, and the only thing she has gained is that she stalks all her jumps terribly and rarely lands them.

    I'm hoping she can skate well at Worlds and get back on track.
  27. Skater91

    Skater91 Member

    I don't think it is that they are only just warming to her now, for me I lost interest in her in 09/10 due to her horrible programs and bad performances.

    This current Olympic cycle she has had solid programs (yes without the hard content) but entertaining to say the least.

    So I think if other people felt the same as me towards her in 09/10, her old fans are coming back plus gaining new fans as well!
  28. allezfred

    allezfred Master/Mistress of Sneer Staff Member

    I don't think Leonova's experience with New Jersey can be called limited. The impression I got from the interview that travel was a necessary evil for her to do what she loves.
  29. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

    Well, have the catering done some where other than at the the rink.
  30. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

    At the bowling alley next door? Or on the train tracks? ;)

    I'm just busting on you. I know what you mean.