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Alexei Mishin interview in SportExpress

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by quiqie, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. quiqie

    quiqie Well-Known Member



    Ekaterina Kulinicheva (EK): Elizaveta Tuktamysheva has finished the Grand Prix series on a positive note - with a brilliant performance of the long program and second place in Paris. After that skate, didn't you think that she might win the event?

    Alexei Mishin (AM): I think that she certainly should have placed first. No one, even among our girls, has shown recently such jump set and such quality of jumps, but ... Looking at all the manipulations with program components that take place today in figure skating, you cannot help but think: was the judging system change even worth it?

    EK: At her other Grand Prix, Skate Canada, Tuktamysheva was 0.03 points away from the third place. If she ended up on the podium, she would have a very good chance of making the second Grand Prix final in a row ...

    AM: Maybe. But I'm not sure if she needs this final or not. Last year, we've been in the final, which resulted in failed Russian National Championship. I wouldn't want this story to repeat itself.

    EK: Elizaveta was not upset?

    AM: Girls like her, who had made their way from periphery, have certain resilience. Furthermore, Liza has been training for many years in good company of elite male skaters. When you see an Olympic champion not in the movies or on YouTube, but "live" when he is talking to you, making jokes, it means a lot. In general, Tuktamysheva is not that easy to upset. By the way, I want to thank all the experts who work with Liza. Coach Svetlana Veretennikova, choreographer Tatiana Prokofieva, general physical preparation coach Andrey Milonov, basic skating coach Vlad Vladimirov. Because I, as a public person, am being the only one getting all praise. I would like to share it with these people. Also special thanks to Liza's mother. She raised a girl with a true fighting spirit.

    EK: How difficult was the growth spurt for Tuktamysheva?

    AM: It's not that difficult. Maybe it is not easy sometimes for Svetlana Veretennikova and me (smiles). In fact, except for the weight gain, Liza has no problems associated with growing up. Her coordination is still all right. Her jumping technique is all right, like all the athletes' in our group. She is not falling apart because of height and weight changes. If the same Plushenko had incorrect technique, he would never be able to make a comeback, let alone to do it twice. So let's go easy on Liza and just wait. If this girl has already defeated the strongest adult skaters in the world, it means she has something in her.

    EK: You once said that when you were a young coach you were in a hurry to prove that you are capable of much, and made mistakes because of it. Isn't the same thing happening with Liza?

    AM: Why would she be in a hurry? She has a correct understanding of the situation. Sometimes, skater in the transition period starts falling on all jumps. But Liza has the ability to get everything together and fight. Even at the Grand Prix in Canada, she did not get on the podium, but, considering the condition she was in there, she did an A+ job.


    EK: Will Evgeni Plushenko skate in Dortmund?

    AM: The decision is still pending. Recently, Zhenya underwent a preventive procedure under general anesthesia in Germany, after which he missed a week of training. We understand perfectly well that we need this event - both for ranking points and for competitive experience. And just to show that he is alive. After all, he hadn't shown up anywhere, except the test skates. But on the other hand, I do not want to let him in the battle unprepared. It is one thing to show fragments in a show, and quite another to skate the entire program. This requires a different level of preparation. Actually, I plan to organize a special event later here in St. Petersburg. Invite serious athletes, judges, and give Evgeni a test run.

    EK: Recently, Plushenko celebrated an anniversary. And at the celebration in St. Petersburg you presented your student with a portrait of himself and his wife.

    AM: Evgeni is a wealthy man. It's pointless to give him a watch, a ring, or even a car. He is having a time of his life when he does not have to buy cars - companies themselves are fighting for the right to give it to him. Why I gave him such a picture? His wife Yana is portrayed on it as a guardian angel. Due to the anniversary I was often asked what I wish Zhenya. As an athlete, I wish him victories, there is nothing to explain. And as a man and a person, I wish him a good family - and certainly with Yana. Of all the women he met in life, she is the right one.

    EK: They say you have not been in Moscow for his birthday party.

    AM: I just arrived from Canada, and on Saturday I had a practice to attend. That's why I didn't go. I considered it would be wrong.

    EK: You weren't afraid that Evgeni might be offended?

    AM: Time of taking offense for us has long ago passed. Actually, there never even was such time, I think. Most people, in case of failure, tend to blame it on the timing, on the music, on the ice, on the pants that got in the way. Evgeni lacks this tendency completely. A rare quality for an elite athlete, and for a person. Even at such difficult time that was for us, for example, Salt Lake City, I have not heard from him a single reproach.

    EK: And after Vancouver?

    AM: After Vancouver either.

    EK: Does he tend to blame himself, then?

    AM: If he blames himself, he doesn't to it in the form of public statements. Each difficulty generates additional forces in him. Now, for example, Zhenya understands perfectly well what high a level of competition waits him in Sochi, and therefore he increases his demands to himself, working ability. I would also like to say about age. 30 years seem like a lot, as far as athletes go. But I still cannot find in him any indication of coordination aging. And if you look at his attitude to sport, what is called the fun of skating - he is really having fun. Often, if something does not work out in practice, Zhenya starts jumping on two feet, fooling around, teasing. You can see the unspent youth. And now, maybe, you see it even more than during the Turin Games. Then he was less cheerful and dynamic.

    EK: You said you do not like parties and celebrations. But Plushenko seems to like being in the spotlight. Was there any tension because of that?

    AM: It's a wrong impression. It's just that his wife belongs to show business world, where one cannot just go into the woods and live in a tent. In this world, you cannot exist without a certain number of magazine articles, television stories and so on. But as an athlete Plushenko is very tough in selecting the communication channels.

    EK: Is it final, that he will skip the Worlds this season?

    AM: If possible, I wouldn't answer this question yet.

    EK: Then I will ask a different one. Russia will be represented by only one skater at Worlds. And the Olympic quota in Sochi will depend on the result of said skater. Naturally, many people hope that Plushenko changes his mind and will get us two or even three places at home games. Do you and he feel any pressure because of that?

    AM: We need one good place, not two or three bad ones. This is our position.


    EK: Is there any news about Artur Gachinsky's health? Not long ago, you said that he has problems with immunity.

    AM: There really are problems. Perhaps this is due to the second wave of adolescence. We thoroughly examine Artur, looking for reasons why he lacks stamina. After all, this leads to mistakes, and they, in turn, lead to psychological insecurity. Artur is in a difficult situation. His current mistakes are, of course, inexcusable, and I am dissatisfied with his performance. But he's a very gifted athlete. Recently his was doing quadruple Salchow jump in practices - I've never seen such a performance of this jump of anyone in the world. At the Grand Prix in Canada Gachinski did two quads, and only the winner, Javier Fernandez, did the same. I'm sure Artur will overcome the current difficulties. He's got everything for it.

    EK: How is Gachinski coping with the current situation?

    AM: Human body is a whole. When he feels that due to lack of physical strength he cannot do something, it messes up his head, too. Now Gachinski is stressed psychologically. Because of the contradiction between his potential, which he is aware of, and his current results. After all, Artur is able to do quadruple toe loop, quad Salchow and quad loop. In addition, he is very gifted artistically. I repeat: I believe in Artur. I believe, that for him there are no insurmountable barriers. And, I, of course, like everyone else, want everything to go back to normal as soon as possible.

    EK: Last year you were saying that it was too early to give Sochi 2014 gold medal the two-time world champion Patrick Chan of Canada, and to pay attention, for example, to young Japanese Yuzuru Hanyu, who has already updated the world record in the short program this year. And what about Javier Fernandez, who beat Chan in Canada, could he be a potential "king of Sochi"?

    AM: Yes. Fernandez, and another Japanese - Tatsuki Machida. At recent meeting with the Minister of Sport Vitaly Mutko, I said that the main danger in Sochi will come not from the well-known ones, but from those whose names are just beginning to appear at top positions in protocols.
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2012
  2. rfisher

    rfisher Will you rise like a phoenix or be a burnt chicken

    :lol: AM: We need one good place, not two or three bad ones. This is our position

    That is the truth.

    Thanks for the translation. I enjoy hearing what the old bear has to say. If there is one huge difference between Liza and Adelina, it's Liza's fighting spirit. It will stand her in good stead. I wish Adelina had half as much.

    Plushenko is walking such a fine line. They need to keep him healthy and not risk injury in a throw away comp (which is everything but the Olympics to him and his team), but they need to compete and keep practicing (where injury is also a risk).
  3. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    Yeah "one good place not two or three bad ones" is a good line. But still it would be better to have more team event and singles events and dance and pairs.

    Gachinski has been having easier triple problems-stamina for all jumps. He just recently did quads and 3a in the same fs. It was either or for a while. But then mistakes on easier jumps and a weak presence on the ice. Obviously if mishin sees good artistry it needs to be unleashed better but also way more consistent jumping.

    Hope Liza does well at nationals. Start with a great sp which is an issue.
  4. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Yuzuru, Medvedeva, T&M, Shibs, P&C

    Very interesting interview. Thanks for posting.
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  5. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    I wish Mishin had worked with his skaters to achieve better PCS instead of holding this kind of attitude, esp. since his skaters were some of the biggest beneficiaries of PCS mis-scorings...
  6. misskarne

    misskarne #AustraliaForTheTeamEvent

    :( *sigh* Poor Artur. Pressurepressurepressure.

    It's interesting that Mishin mentioned a "second wave of adolescence". I assume he means that Artur grew again, but maybe there's something else too? I don't know, joint issues or something?

    This was a great interview, actually. And I liked how he acknowledges the other people behind his skaters' success - the other coaches, Liza's mother, Evgeni's wife. There seems to be a genuine respect between Yana and Mishin that must be tremendously important right now.

    I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to watch Mishin and Plushenko working together. After all, next year it will be 20 years together. They must almost be able to read each others' minds by now.

    He speaks with such fondness of all of them - so much for the grumpy Russian bear! :lol:
  7. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

    He isn't grumpy. Mishin is very kind, clever, interesting and funny person.

    Plushy about Mishin:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=3O-OW2DmMtA very interesting
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2012
  8. GoGreen

    GoGreen New Member

    He does speak of all his students with such fondness, it is so cute to see this kind of long-term coach-student relationship and how they all grow together.

    It is amazing how many stars were born under his tutelage. I am so impressed with Liza this year, given all her troubles of the growth spurt, she can still rise above it. Mishin's students all have such pure technique that they can rely on during up or down time.
  9. nenne

    nenne New Member

    Mishin's students have never won with 2 or 3 falls and big PCS. He's right when he says thatPCS are manipulated (Chan, Hanyu or Asada on NHK Cup etc.)
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  10. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

    I enjoyed reading this, thank you. Mishin is a interesting guy amd it's good to hear his perspective.

    However, I must take special note of this part of the interview:

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  11. skipaway

    skipaway Well-Known Member

    Wonder what this was...more knee surgery?
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  12. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

    No. Plushy said:

    "I recently returned from Germany, where I had scheduled medical examination. I had a little surgery - they put the catheter in my back, cleaning the spine. So now I need to control..."
  13. yaya124

    yaya124 New Member

    Why laughing? Plushenko never complained about the music, the timing, the ice and the costume after Vancouver, right? And also what Mishin meant is that Plushenko never put the blame on his team members which is also true.

    If you are laughing because you think he put the blame on the judges and the then judging system, well he was not the only one:lol:
  14. GoGreen

    GoGreen New Member

    And it seems that his complaint on the then judging system is rightly so, :) The ISU changed the rules as he suggested, increasing the weight on quad.
  15. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

    You misunderstood what Mishin said. After VancouverPlush was brave and he had said his opinions of the scoring system, thank God. And what happened? The ISU has changed the rules. 2010 was the only time, since the introduction of the quad, that the gold medalist did not do a quad. The point system was immediately changed ,so that would never happen again.
  16. stjeaskategym

    stjeaskategym Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I'm not quite sure how he watched Ashley Wagner's free skate (I'm assuming he watched it, but who knows) and believed that Liza definitely deserved to beat it. Of course this interview was given in Russia, and it seems like crying foul about the judges to the press there is a common occurence. Hopefully Mishin doesn't actually think PCS is completely reputation based and knows that there are legitimate ways for his skaters to improve this score. But I could see why he may be a bit confused now-- one of his other pupils, Plushenko, pretty much got extremely high PCS just for outjumping everyone.
  17. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

    I understand you. But "never a reproach" essentially means accepting the results and not saying anything. Plush said plenty after Vancouver.
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  18. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

    Ok.:) But I still do not agree with you. Check it yaya's comment, she well said. :)
  19. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    In this case, I'm pretty sure Mishin was saying that Plushenko never blamed/reproached Mishin for after a poor or disappointing performance.
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  20. rfisher

    rfisher Will you rise like a phoenix or be a burnt chicken

    I gathered he meant Plushenko didn't have anything negative to say to him or about him not that Plushenko didn't criticize the event results. Remember the context of what Mishin was saying. Plus, there are translation errors. ETA. I agree with Kwanfan1818 who beat me to the punch. :lol:
  21. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    Well, maybe he should also complain about how he was unjustly held up in PCS and see if the judges would change their approach to scoring him.

    If the judges / system had given the quad more value but also correctly scored his PCS, he might not even have the silver.
  22. GoGreen

    GoGreen New Member

    He complained about the value of quad, and ISU increased the value of the quad. Maybe you should try start your own campaign to strip him of the silver and see how many people in the Real World will follow? ;) Good luck with that! Who knows, maybe keep posting the same thing on FSU will help one day, :D
  23. Glacier cat

    Glacier cat Member

    :rofl: :respec:
  24. professordeb

    professordeb Well-Known Member

    And I would say you hit that nail on it's head quite accurately. I believe that Plushenko has received PCS that don't really reflect what he did on the ice -- I think it's called Rep Judging :D
  25. GoGreen

    GoGreen New Member

    It must be a SAD SAD world for a handful of posters here, ;) This evil Russian Plushenko always got what he wanted.

    He wanted medals? He got them. He wanted the audience's love? He got them. He wanted ISU to change the value of the Quad and the younger generations to jump quad in their programs? Damn, he got them again!!! So I guess it is up to some posters here to wage their battle in a virtual world, where things really count.
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  26. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

  27. unicorn

    unicorn Active Member

    And it's interesting that lots of people think that inflated PCS only affect the score margin sometimes and the result could still be fair. Actually if skaters constantly get unjust PCS(I'm not talking about any specific person), not only they can just focus on their TES both during practice and competitions, and hence much easier for them to land jumps more consistently, but also it gives them a psychological advantage. It's not a fair play(in my opinion of course)! But it will never change and can happen to any skaters.
  28. GoGreen

    GoGreen New Member

    You know my heart really goes out to them ;) It is hard to live in such a sad sad world, I guess keep posting the same repetitive accusations is a coping mechanism. I wish they could get more creative and come up with some more innovative arguments, as I am already bored a bit. But hey, whatever works for them!

    May I add one more thing? He wanted the Olympic to happen in his home country, and he got that one too, :hat1:
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  29. ciocio

    ciocio Active Member

  30. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

    OMG! :rofl::respec: I'm with you, you are my hero!!:hat1: