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Alexander Majorov insults the Swedish federation on Facebook (and later apologizes)

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by siberia82, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. siberia82

    siberia82 New Member

  2. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    Wow...the Swedish federation wasn't the only thing he insulted.

    I wonder what his apology said.
  3. MikiAndoFan#1

    MikiAndoFan#1 Well-Known Member

    Oh my God. What a scandal. :drama:
  4. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

    What a charming outspoken young man.
  5. ioana

    ioana Well-Known Member

    :eek: :scream: And to think I just said something about how nice it would be to have Sweden get 3 spots for next year's Euros...What was he thinking -if his brain was ever involved- when he posted that? Just a little tidbit to share with 500 of your closest friends?
  6. LynnW

    LynnW Politiking for Purple


    According to Google Translate, that he must try to deal with disappointment in a more constructive manner and that he is not a racist. He has friends from all over the world.

    Sorry, but in my opinion racist words don't come out of your mouth just because you are disappointed.
    PeterG and (deleted member) like this.
  7. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

    Schnikes, he doesn't realize that this sport is judged by humans does he? I didn't see these particular performances, but I don't think Majorov is on the level of Schultheiss or Berntsson yet. Also, didn't Majorov totally blow it in the short program?

    That's a fairly substantial rant. How old is he anyway?
  8. Sugar

    Sugar Well-Known Member

    :eek: OMG what a rant :eek: :eek:
  9. maggylyn

    maggylyn Well-Known Member

    Is there an English translation posted anywhere?

  10. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

    A lesson in how to win friends and influence people...
  11. ninadel

    ninadel Active Member

    You can get the gist from google translate.

    He will need to do a LOT of damage control to get back into good graces. This is like a PeeWee Herman (aka Paul Reubens) level of embarrassing...

    Also let this be a lesson to kids on facebook to keep their traps shut.
  12. AliasJohnDoe

    AliasJohnDoe Headcase Addict

    WOW. Someone has a superiority complex.

    It's not like he said the racist stuff in a quick burst of outrage in private. He actually sat down and took the time to type it all out, click submit and let it there for the world to see. Where was his common sense when he went on this rant?
  13. Jaana

    Jaana Well-Known Member

    I don´t understand why he was so angry as he was only third at the Nationals. If he had won or placed second and would not have been sent, I would understand his disappointment (but not his horrible behavior in this matter).
  14. Mafke

    Mafke Well-Known Member

    AFAICT the n-word wasn't directed at any particular non-white person (or was it?) and I'm inclined to think it's just something he learned as a 'bad' English word (without knowing the finer details about how and why it's so offensive).

    Stupid in the way that frustrated and angry 19-year-olds are prone to be, but not really racist.

    On the other hand I was actually more shocked to see him use the term "jävla idioter!"
    (literally: devil idiots) IINM the j word is a lot worse in Swedish than the translation 'devil' implies.

    Obligatory link to Riget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlTukY9fV9Y
  15. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka The Stolbova/Klimov and James/Cipres Uber

    What a lovely young man.
  16. igniculus

    igniculus Well-Known Member

  17. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

    That struck me as more of a string of nasty words than really caring what their meaning was- so I doubt that is racism there.
  18. Veronica

    Veronica Member


    Yeah, young people in Sweden tend to use very nasty English words without really understanding how serious they are. They usually wouldn't use the same words in Swedish. I think it's because they get most of their English vocabulary from movies withot getting that it's not as accepted in the real world. And "jävla idioter" isn't that "bad", although it's rather insulting.

    I mostly feel sorry for Majorov, tabloids are everywhere and a lot of people don't get how public facebook really is.
  19. Squibble

    Squibble New Member

    In my experience, most 19-year-old Europeans know quite a bit about the racial history of the United States, have an idea how offensive the "N" word is, but don't fully grasp how offensive the "F" word is (and sometimes think it's kind of cool to use it even if they wouldn't use similar words in their own language).

    What's more, it isn't as if the use of offensive racial epithets is unknown in Sweden.

    The apology is a first step, but I'd like to see him make a serious effort to make amends. Giving skating lessons (for a few years) to the children of immigrants to Sweden would be a good way of doing this.
  20. orientalplane

    orientalplane Mad for mangelwurzels

    I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for him. He's an adult; what he's done is disgusting.
  21. Mafke

    Mafke Well-Known Member

    IME (and I live in Europe) is they don't understand how offensive either one is (and most 19 year olds are not ... the most perceptive of beings in the first place). And .... he wasn't using the word in English, he used a string of nasty words in English in a Swedish language environment where the audience would just understand a string of nasty English words (and they way they're used make no sense in English anyway).

    I agree some kind of penance (beyond the first apology) is called for though I'm not sure how many immigrant minors in Sweden want to learn how to skate or if he would be able to teach them very well.
  22. Squibble

    Squibble New Member

    I think struggling to learn how to teach children who, unlike him, don't come from a skating family would be a good thing for him. But if it's not teaching skating, then surely there's something else he could be doing that would involve both helping minority (and specifically black) children and learning something about them and the problems they face (idiotic 19-year-olds, for example).

    Just my two öre.
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2010
  23. ninadel

    ninadel Active Member

    So possibly he doesn't understand the curse words he's using. That being said, it's still completely tacky to go off on your national skating federation like that.

    That and he must be pretty delusional to think he's entitled to a spot above Berntsson and Schultheiss.

    It's sad because his family's probably invested a lot into his skating career so far and this has just dug him into a PR hole.
  24. siberia82

    siberia82 New Member

  25. siberia82

    siberia82 New Member

    Just something I thought about: Sasha mentions that he had no one talk to about his disappointment. (I assume that he's not comfortable discussing negative emotions with his family.) Does that mean he doesn't have access to a sports psychologist? Figure skating isn't that popular in Sweden, so perhaps their federation don't have the funding to provide professional help should their athletes require it?

    Yes, he made major errors and ended with a score of 57.71. For the SP, he was almost 12 points behind Adrian and more than 14 points behind Kristoffer.

    In Sasha's not-so-humble opinion, though, he should've won the free skate (his TES for that segment was actually the highest amongst the Senior Men, but only by a couple of points): http://www.kuriren.nu/nyheter/default.aspx?articleid=5708288 He believes that the Swedish federation favours the other two over him, which is why he ended up third. I'm guessing he's not that good at arithmetic because even if we disregarded the PCS scores (which is arguably where most of the favouritism would've occured), he'd still end up third over-all. :rolleyes:

    Majorov actually had the best international results of the Swedish men heading into Nationals. (He even beat Berntsson at the International Chellenge.) I did notice while I searched for updates before the event that the Swedish media payed more attention to him than either of his teammates. He basically came into Nationals as the favourite to win. (I've been told by a fan who was present at the competition that Sasha received the loudest cheer from the crowd during the SP segment.) I suspect these factors might have inflated his ego. He even stated in the article that I shared above that he was confident he would be chosen for Euros because of his stronger international results.

    Yeah, I wonder how his family is feeling about this mess...
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2010
  26. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    This is so unlike me and I can't believe I'm even saying this but I do think this has been blown wayyyyyyy out of proportion.

    We are talking about a stupid 19 year old who made a bad decision to post something when he was upset. I'm sure he lacks the maturity that some 19 year olds have because I'm sure his parents are more preoccupied with his skating then teaching himself self discipline or social skills. He has been taken down a few pegs by this and I hope he learned a valuable lesson. If not, next time it may cost him more than public humiliation.

    He posted something, regretted it and took it down, he didn't make excuses he just apologized...penance is not necessary. He didn't beat dogs, kill someone while drunk or take advantage of someone after he drugged them...time to move on.

    If I had a dime for every text/email I sent and wished I hadn’t…I would be RICH!!!! :lol:
    let`s talk and (deleted member) like this.
  27. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

    I'm amazed no one has patted him on the back yet for not being "politically correct."

    There might be hope for society yet. :lol:
  28. millyskate

    millyskate Well-Known Member

    Majorov is of Russian origin, and in my experience Russians absolutely do not know how offensive the n word is in the US. At all. In Russian, the n word (or its direct translation) is not offensive and commonly used to describe black people.

    In Europe, people would have the vague sense of it being offensive, but generally do not have the same understanding of political correctness (apart from in the UK) .
    Moreover, when I studied a Senegalese poet in school, we had a group of African poets come to the school to explain why the word "negre" was NOT offensive and why we should all use it rather than "black".

    So yes, IMO he would have been aware of it being a racial slur, but not have the sense of just how offensive its considered in the US. Being aware of American history does not entail being aware of PC language issues. It's still completely unacceptable to use racial slurs as an insult... but when I was in Ukraine, it was all too common and people did not get upset. You could be called the n word, "Moscal", "Russian", Nimets (German).... all those were commonly used insults in the playground.

    It's not so much the inappropriate use of the word that shocks me as his stupidity.
  29. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

    No one has the same understanding of political correctness becuase there is no such thing as political correctness. :soapbox:
  30. millyskate

    millyskate Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I didn't mean to start that debate again ;)

    But the concept of making a certain word taboo because of historical connotations is not universal, shall we say. And in certain cultures, people have an extremely developped sense of self-deprication, which lead them to make jokes about dark periods of their own history - and of other people's history, and they don't see the problem.

    However, the only point I was trying to make here was that Majorov may have unfortunately caught his vocabulary habit from family/friends (not an excuse), because even in the apology he seems completely unaware of just how bad what he said was.