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Abbott on future: 'I have a lot still to offer the sport'

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Apr 8, 2014.

  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Four-time U.S. champion considers legacy, finances in making decision
    Posted 4/8/14 by Lynn Rutherford, special to icenetwork

  2. barbk

    barbk Well-Known Member

    Oh dear.

    Another rinse-and-repeat from Abbott is just plain depressing. Blech.
  3. B.Cooper

    B.Cooper Active Member

    In the IceNetwork article, Jeremy mentions finances as part of his decision process, but makes no mention of working part time, aside from skating shows, to support his own skating (SOI tour this year, as well as a few other shows should help cover some expenses I would imagine). I'm truly curious as to the percentage of elite skaters who work part time jobs to support their own skating; ie do they coach or do choreo, or work at a local restaurant, etc? He mentions that he took on the expense of using a sports psychologist, a trainer, etc, (don't most elite skaters have these same expenses?) but his Performance Enchancement Tracking funding from USFS thru the USOC is intended to help cover those costs. Way, way back....I seem to recall a discussion on the cost of ice at DSC for the US National team...do they get discounted ice time?

    I get that Jeremy is without sponsors, as he states in the IN article. Does he work with an agent/manager of some sort? Can they help with finding some sort of sponsorship deal? Sponsors also require time away from training...doing PR events, etc. Does Jeremy have the ability to juggle these kinds of responsibilities? Is Jeremy implying that finances are one of THE crucial factors in his decision to continue?

    Realized that there are an awful lot of ????? in the above. ;-)
    Whatever Jeremy decides, Yuka is right. He needs to take time to make the right decision for him.
  4. RFOS

    RFOS Well-Known Member

    Well, you're free not to watch him or not to watch the event at all if it depresses you so much. It's his decision and if he does decide to continue to compete I'll look forward to seeing him skate again.
  5. Spareoom

    Spareoom Well-Known Member

    I think a lot of people's fear with Abbott continuing is that judges will prop him up over some of the US's newer skaters and deny them the oppourtunity to compete on the big level. I don't think that's the case anymore...with the emergence of skaters like Jason Brown and the like, there's a lot more internal competition. I think Jeremy will find it a lot more difficult to make it onto major teams or get the kind of scores he's used to if he can't keep it together.

    Ultimately though, if Jeremy CAN go out and deliver a season of clean performances, why would that ever be a bad thing?
  6. reese

    reese Well-Known Member

    Wasn't there an issue post-2002 with Todd Eldredge making similar comments about potentially continuing and getting some negative blowback from the USFSA? Everyone (including the USFSA) has been operating under the assumption that this was the end of Abbott's career.

    He has four National titles, no international success and yet he wonders why he doesn't have sponsors? That entire section read as extremely tone deaf and sheltered to me. This isn't 1994. There isn't a lot of money to go around and he has no name recognition because he has produced no international results. If his USFSA/USOC money covers less than half of his expenses then I would assume his family covers the other half, as Jeremy does not have a job and I've never heard of him coaching or choreographing on the side (for $). Sounds in this article like he is fishing for a sponsor or wealthy benefactor...
  7. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    The post-Olympic mind-changing is in full force, as always.
  8. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't you think show/competition earnings cover a good portion?
    He got a bronze at NHK- that's $9,000. He had better results last year on the GP, so he should have gotten money for both competitions (they only pay to 5th place, he placed 6th at his other this year.)
    and 5th at Worlds gets $10,000.
    I'm sure his agent takes a cut (but that is part of the expenses of an agent), not sure if USFS does.
    No idea what shows earn, but he seems to do a good number of them.
  9. mikey

    mikey ...an acquired taste

    Jeremy Who?
  10. lauren329

    lauren329 Active Member

    Really 5th at Worlds gets $10,000? How far down do they give out prize money?
  11. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

    oh Jeremy, still providing the lolz
  12. Willowway

    Willowway Well-Known Member


    When you're doing the math in your head please remember that you are quoting before tax winnings - after tax amounts are quite different. Since Jeremy had a physio traveling to comps with him this past season, there's a lot of money right there (salary, travel expenses, per diem, etc.) just for one professional on his team. His annual costs this past year had to be very high and those costs are paid, after USFSA and USOC fees, in his after tax dollars. His agent may take a percentage of shows (which really don't pay what they used to in the late 90's and early 00's although the money is still decent) and USFSA takes, I believe, nothing.
  13. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

    If Jeremy's job is 'figure skating' he can likely expense most of those things you mentioned, so he probably ends up having quite a low tax liability (barely breaking even, if not losing money). Then again, there are only so many years the IRS lets you deduct before they call it a hobby...

    I have no doubt Jeremy's costs are high- Chan quoted his at $80k-100k, right? But the point is, he does have earnings, so it isn't completely up to his family to shoulder the burden.

    Chan, however, has had a lot of international success, so he is probably making money past those expenses. Jeremy, unfortunately, seems to be best at winning nationals- which doesn't have prize money.
  14. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

  15. snoopy

    snoopy Team St. Petersburg

    I don&#8217;t know where I was reading, maybe the SOI thread &#8211; somewhere said Sasha Cohen is going to college to get a job in finance. I wondered if the $$$ have dried up for even an Olympic Silver Medalist, so that a Zzzzzz finance job would ultimately be more lucrative. Jeremy should maybe consider that.
  16. Willowway

    Willowway Well-Known Member

    Sasha said quite a long time ago that she is interested in finance and finds it fascinating. On the higher levels it is indeed fascinating. She clearly understands that the earning power of an aging (we all get a year older every year) elite skater is a rather steep downhill ride especially as the opportunities are shrinking. She is getting a fine education to move on to a second career that can support her life going forward. Very smart of her but not every skater's choice.

    Even the largest and highest earning names in skating - Kwan, Boitano, Hamilton - have found second careers or business extensions of their first careers to keep life interesting and earning power up.

    Most elite skaters need an Act II. Some have the talent and ability to stay in sport (coaching, choreography, etc.); others move on to new interests taking their discipline and determination with them. Making the transition from highly visible star athlete to something far less public with far less applause is a big challenge.
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2014
  17. kirkbiggestfan

    kirkbiggestfan Well-Known Member

    He choreographed a masterpiece of a LP! I am sure he could be a great choreographer if he chooses that path.
  18. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

    Code for: you are high on the applause now. In two weeks when the high wears off, you'll change your mind again.

    Really, Abbott has never said or done anything to make me believe he truly enjoys competing. So every couple of years he has a wonderful performance in a competition? That's not enough to build a competitive career on. He's really a skater very suited for touring and he's reached the point in his career where people will pay him to tour. Sounds like it's time to join a few tours and skate in some shows!
  19. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    There's a difference between a for-profit business, where losses can be deducted against other income, a not-for-profit* business with enough losses to not qualify as a for-profit business, where losses cannot be deducted again other income, vs a hobby, where losses are limited to over 2% of AGI up to income earned from that hobby.

    If all of his income is from figure skating, were the IRS to classify skating as a hobby, he can itemize anything over 2% of his AGI as a miscellaneous expense, up to the amount of the money earned from figure skating. Example: were he to have earned $50K through shows and prize money, he would be able to itemize all expenses incurred in the taxable year over $1000 (50K * 2%) up to the $50K. If he earned $100K in total, he could itemize everything over $2000 up to $100K worth of expenses. That is before his personal exemption.

    If he were to work selling ice cream, in an office, etc. that income couldn't be offset by hobby or not-for-profit* business expenses. Giving lessons might be considered part of the business of being a skater, if he's an independent contractor.

    *The IRS definition.
  20. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

  21. Impromptu

    Impromptu Well-Known Member

    I watched a recent interview with Cohen (I guess it's probably about a year old), where she mentioned that she'd kept checking out finance text books and books on tape from the library and then realized that she was more interested in reading them (and/or kept inventing errands to drive around and listen to them) than her other activities. Which she took as a clue that she was ready for the collegiate phase to begin.
  22. lmarie086

    lmarie086 missing my cat :(

    I do think he still has a lot to give to the sport...creatively. Jeremy would be a fine choreographer, and I could see him doing very well with that. I'll be happy to see him if he does decide to continue competing, but I think his best days for that are behind him.
  23. Dr.Siouxs

    Dr.Siouxs Well-Known Member

    I hope Jeremy stays just to piss you all off. (and even better if he keeps us from having to watch Max at Worlds again ;) )

    A team of Josh, Jason, Jeremy would be :cool: the 3 Js. Hopefully Josh stays healthy and Jason doesn't discover his rebellious side. :p
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  24. centerpt1

    centerpt1 Well-Known Member

    Jeremy (for all intents and purposes) got the Men's team 3 spots at Worlds. He had his first season ever where he did better at Worlds than on the GP. He's said in interview after interview how much he loves competition. With a good season, his PCS would come up. He's almost 29 and got several personal bests this season.

    I still think he'll retire because of his injuries.

    But a 3 J team would sure be beautiful to watch.
  25. marysy

    marysy Well-Known Member

    Ashley and Gracie have less titles/international success and have been around a shorter time than Jeremy and they both have sponsors. I don't think it's unreasonable for Jeremy to have some sponsorship...it's just unfair he's not an ice princess.

    As for jobs/income, I wouldn't be surprised if he does some coaching or choreographing in Detroit. Many skaters do, whether it's talked about or not. Assuming he's invited to them, he should do more shows in Asia - I'm sure those tours pay much better than SOI in the US, not to mention he has tons of Japanese fans.
  26. misskarne

    misskarne #AustraliaForTheTeamEvent

    I think he would be foolish - his injuries have been building up all these years, he's not a spring chicken anymore. I don't want to see any more Plushys, driving themselves to breaking point.
  27. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

    it was unclear from the article, but has he never had sponsors, or has he lost the ones he had.

    Putting oneself in the shoes of a sponsor, you have $x to give, do you give it to the young lady with all the buzz just starting her career (Gracie), or do you give it to the guy who's been on the circuit for years and just can't seem to pull it off.
  28. Carolla5501

    Carolla5501 Well-Known Member

    There are skaters I truly enjoy watching skate who I hate watching compete. Abbott hits that group, but if he wants to stay in good for him, I have no problem with it.

    That said, he can get a job. Ashley sold jeans, Marai was teaching "learn to skate", Amanda Evora was a hostess at a restaurant. etc... Heck, lots of skater go to school which is basically a job. In a way I think it might be good for him to have something to dwell on besides skating. Maybe it's what he needs?

    But I wonder if he is prepared for a "Flatt" like Nationals?

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

  30. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

    this is why I was wondering if it's now or never. 2009 Jeremy is someone I could see getting sponsorship $$ easily.
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2014