2017 ISU Grand Prix

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Also, can someone tell us who from juniors will we see at Senior Bs and Senior GP this season?

Zagatova?
Liu & Johnson?
Marin Honda?
russian men?

and who else we will see?

 

[Sylvia]

The 2017 World Junior medalists are all age-eligible to be selected for the Grand Prix:
Alina Zagitova, Marin Honda, Kaori Sakamoto;
Vincent Zhou, Dmitri Aliev, Alexander Samarin;
Parsons/Parsons, Loboda/Drozd, Carreira/Ponomarenko (C/P likely to remain on JGP);
Alexandrovskaya/Windsor, Boikova/Kozlovskii, Gao/Xie (all 3 pairs are still ISU Junior age-eligible but the latter 2 are more likely to return to JGP than A/W who are aiming to qualify an Olympic berth at Nebelhorn Trophy).

USA's Parsons/Parsons, McNamara/Carpenter (SB 22) and Liu/Johnson all have aged out of ISU Junior; ditto for Loboda/Drozd and France's Kevin Aymoz and Abachkina/Thauron.

I expect Korea's Jun Hwan CHA (currently SB 24) to move up to the Sr. GP because, at 15, he is age-eligible for the Olympics in his home country next year.

Anna DUSKOVA / Martin BIDAR (SB 17) should also debut on the Sr. GP this fall.
Polina TSURSKAYA (SB 19) may likely as well.

ETA that only 2 ladies in the top 24 SB -- Anastasiia GUBANOVA & Rika KIHIRA -- too young (14) for Sr. GP.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Both Parsons (19/21) and Carpenter (21) will have aged out of Juniors for next season. Carreira has another two years of junior eligibility -- she just turned 17 this month -- but someone else may have heard what their plans are.

As far as the Russian Ladies are concerned, the Russian Fed has to submit them for GP, and Lipnitskaia may be vulnerable depending on which skaters go senior and what the Russian Fed's strategy is for the Olympic season. For example, if submitted:

• The following skaters are guaranteed two from Worlds:
  • Medvedeva
  • Sotskova
• The following skaters are guaranteed one from SB 24:
  • Pogorilaya-4
  • Zagitova-7 (turns 15 next month)
  • Radionova-8, with WTT to go
  • Tsurskaya-19
  • Tuktamysheva-20
  • Leonova-23

(Gubanova doesn't turn 15 until December, too late for this season.)

Not guaranteed any, but on the SB list:

• Konstantinova-27
• Sakhonovitch-41
• Lipnitskaia-52
• Fedichkina-53
• Ogoreltseva-56
• Lozko-57 (turns 15 in June)

Given that there are 12 spots for singles at each event, it would highly unlikely for Pogorilaya, Zagitova, or Radionova, all in Top 10 SB, not to get a second, and that could also apply to Tsurskaya, if she goes senior, which is 12 spots right there, and maybe even Tuktamysheva. Then add in a TBA for Rostelecom Cup, and that 13-15 spots before Leonova (if they submit her). It could be very tough for Lipnitskaia, if the Russian Fed submits her.

 

[Dobre]

Dance teams that age up this season and could make the Grand Prix include:
The Parsons (top 24)
Loboda & Drozd (top 24)
McNamara & Carpenter (top 24)
Abachkina & Thauron (eligible for a host spot in France)

And I think . . .
Fukase & Tateno (which could finally fill Japan's third host spot in dance)

 

[Dobre]

Surely someone will want to be in good favor with China and invite Wang/Liu to a second event, since they've been to the 2014-16 Cup of China.

Probably. They will need the favor, though, I think. They wouldn't need it if China had sent them out on the Challenger Series. W&L had a great season overall.

The World Dance rankings for next season are just as crazy as ever. If the list on GS is correct, Papadakis & Cizeron fall to 7th. Chock & Bates are still in the lead after winning zero competitions this season. The Shibs remain just behind C&B after defeating them in their four head-to-heads this year. Bobrova & Soloviev move above Cappellini & Lanotte who move over Hubbell & Donahue who move over Weaver & Poje. And Guignard & Fabbri remain over Virtue & Moir, now 9th. Meanwhile, guess who's sitting in 24th? Ilinykh & Zhiganshin, who--now that they finally have three seasons together--have dropped in the rankings. And Sinitsina & Katsalapov move up two spots to 16th. Muramoto & Reed are over Hawayek & Baker. The whole thing is just . I know how everybody got there, but the idea that these are the world rankings is LOL. And people think dance is predictable. (Once again, only 4 dance teams at Worlds finished in the same place during the SD and FD this season. Unlike last season, none of those teams were on the podium).

 

[kwanfan1818]

I've got P&C in 7th, but my numbers could be wrong. C/B got 540 from two CS 2nds, while the Shibs had no senior internationals; C/B have 3/4 international points slots filled while the Shibs have only 1/4 over the last two seasons, with the four highest counting, 750 international points to 170, leading the Shibs by 92 in my math. The difference between the 680 points C/B earned from bronze at 4C's and the 972 that the Shibs got for World bronze is 292 points.

 

[Dobre]

Yes, you can see how everyone wound up where they are when you think about it. But it's always a double take when you see the results heading one way and the rankings heading in the opposite direction. I'm always thinking, well, now they've been together long enough. Or now we are a full season away from the injury. But that's when the bottom set of scores falls away & you realize the full extent of damage done the season before.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Well, Roberto Rodeghiero was top 10 WS one season, and the Helgessons used to be high in WS because they did every last senior international, and because the Euros Ladies fields weren't very deep after the top four or so. Plus, they were draws, with crowds finding them charming, and hosts finding them not formidable competition for the hosts' skaters.

But losing a season really put a dent in Papadakis/Cizeron's ranking. You expect it from Virtue/Moir, having taken seasons off, but P/C won a World title without having competed in GP or senior internationals last season, and even though they also won Euros, they only got one set of championship points. Which I think is silly and artificially inflates the importance of other events.

 

[Tavi]

I've got P&C in 7th, but my numbers could be wrong. C/B got 540 from two CS 2nds, while the Shibs had no senior internationals; C/B have 3/4 international points slots filled while the Shibs have only 1/4 over the last two seasons, with the four highest counting, 750 international points to 170, leading the Shibs by 92 in my math. The difference between the 680 points C/B earned from bronze at 4C's and the 972 that the Shibs got for World bronze is 292 points.

I was wondering if the points totals on GS are correct. Is it a simple matter of deleting 2014/2015 points, taking 70% of 2015/2016 points and adding 2016/2017 points for each competitor, or does something else need to be considered? Because using that formula for Kolyada (and using the total points from the SB 2015/16 and 2016/17 lists), I get:

2015/16: 1657 * .70 = 1159.90
2016/17: 1453
Total: 2612.90 = 2613

However, according to the post by Chuckm on GS, Kolyada will have 2438 points after ISU scrubs the data. Which is the correct number / methodology?

Thanks!

 

[kwanfan1818]

You've got the right basic formulas for two seasons, where everything counts. (When there are three seasons, you take the highest two for championships and highest four for GP and internationals.) I just can't remember if the trim or round each factored value before summing for 2015-16, or whether they sum, then trim or round. That only makes a difference for figuring out Top 24 WS for GP if the totals are within points of each other.

I don't have my spreadsheet handy, but I can check later.

 

[Tavi]

You've got the right basic formulas for two seasons, where everything counts. (When there are three seasons, you take the highest two for championships and highest four for GP and internationals.) I just can't remember if the trim or round each factored value before summing for 2015-16, or whether they sum, then trim or round. That only makes a difference for figuring out Top 24 WS for GP if the totals are within points of each other.

I don't have my spreadsheet handy, but I can check later.

Thanks, that would be great!

 

[Dobre]

I've got P&C in 7th, but my numbers could be wrong.

Nope, I just remembered wrong. Seventh it is on both your list & the one on GS then.
I edited above.

 

[Jammers]

The world rankings are a joke. Considering how unpredictable figure skating is they should only be taking into account the current season just ended instead of going back two years ago when skaters made have had their one great season but haven't done much of anything since then yet are still high in the rankings from that one fluke season.

 

[kwanfan1818]

The World Rankings are points earned in the current season. They were used for one or two years to award piles of money to the "podium" for each discipline. However, the money is no longer there.

World Standings cover three seasons, with two seasons prior factored by .7.

 

[Dobre]

The world rankings are a joke. Considering how unpredictable figure skating is they should only be taking into account the current season just ended

In which case you would have Bobrova & Soloviev in second and Weaver & Poje in tenth. Two teams that finished 0.75 away from each other at Worlds, in the opposite order.

Season rankings are still all over the map relative to where teams finish head-to-head. (And, of course, many teams change rankings during the season or never meet head-to-head). Essentially, there are many ways to qualify for the GP, and that's good because no two teams have the same season, the same obstacles, or the same career.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Thanks, that would be great!

I'm getting 2612 for Kolyada, but I trimmed each calculation to the whole number, and you rounded the sum.

This is what I'm getting (Top 30):

Men:
1-Yuzuru HANYU (JPN)-new total: 4471 (season end rank=1)
2-Shoma UNO (JPN)-new total: 3745 (season end rank=2)
3-Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP)-new total: 3482 (season end rank=3)
4-Patrick CHAN (CAN)-new total: 3258 (season end rank=4)
5-Boyang JIN (CHN)-new total: 2893 (season end rank=7)
6-Nathan CHEN (USA)-new total: 2640 (season end rank=10)
7-Mikhail KOLYADA (RUS)-new total: 2612 (season end rank=9)
8-Alexei BYCHENKO (ISR)-new total: 2508 (season end rank=11)
9-Jason BROWN (USA)-new total: 2406 (season end rank=5)
10-Maxim KOVTUN (RUS)-new total: 2363 (season end rank=8)
11-Adam RIPPON (USA)-new total: 2321 (season end rank=6)
12-Daniel SAMOHIN (ISR)-new total: 2288 (season end rank=16)
13-Max AARON (USA)-new total: 2269 (season end rank=13)
14-Dmitri ALIEV (RUS)-new total: 2252 (season end rank=20)
15-Alexander SAMARIN (RUS)-new total: 2140 (season end rank=17)
16-Alexander PETROV (RUS)-new total: 2132 (season end rank=18)
17-Jorik HENDRICKX (BEL)-new total: 1971 (season end rank=25)
18-Keiji TANAKA (JPN)-new total: 1900 (season end rank=21)
19-Deniss VASILJEVS (LAT)-new total: 1767 (season end rank=24)
20-Vincent ZHOU (USA)-new total: 1742 (season end rank=31)
21-Chafik BESSEGHIER (FRA)-new total: 1707 (season end rank=29)
22-Misha GE (UZB)-new total: 1700 (season end rank=22)
23-Grant HOCHSTEIN (USA)-new total: 1648 (season end rank=27)
24-Kevin REYNOLDS (CAN)-new total: 1648 (season end rank=30)
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25-Sergei VORONOV (RUS)-new total: 1576 (season end rank=14)
26-Nam NGUYEN (CAN)-new total: 1516 (season end rank=23)
27-Michal BREZINA (CZE)-new total: 1513 (season end rank=19)
28-Han YAN (CHN)-new total: 1493 (season end rank=26)
29-Takahito MURA (JPN)-new total: 1476 (season end rank=15)
30-Denis TEN (KAZ)-new total: 1470 (season end rank=12)

 

[kwanfan1818]

Ladies:

1-Evgenia MEDVEDEVA (RUS)-new total: 5100 (season end rank=1)
2-Anna POGORILAYA (RUS)-new total: 3881 (season end rank=3)
3-Satoko MIYAHARA (JPN)-new total: 3640 (season end rank=2)
4-Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN)-new total: 3355 (season end rank=8)
5-Ashley WAGNER (USA)-new total: 3337 (season end rank=4)
6-Maria SOTSKOVA (RUS)-new total: 3112 (season end rank=12)
7-Gabrielle DALEMAN (CAN)-new total: 3033 (season end rank=11)
8-Mirai NAGASU (USA)-new total: 3001 (season end rank=7)
9-Karen CHEN (USA)-new total: 2977 (season end rank=13)
10-Rika HONGO (JPN)-new total: 2894 (season end rank=9)
11-Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA (KAZ)-new total: 2795 (season end rank=14)
12-Elena RADIONOVA (RUS)-new total: 2676 (season end rank=6)
13-Roberta RODEGHIERO (ITA)-new total: 2504 (season end rank=15)
14-Gracie GOLD (USA)-new total: 2431 (season end rank=10)
15-Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS)-new total: 2378 (season end rank=5)
16-Mai MIHARA (JPN)-new total: 2206 (season end rank=21)
17-Dabin CHOI (KOR)-new total: 2160 (season end rank=20)
18-Wakaba HIGUCHI (JPN)-new total: 2128 (season end rank=22)
19-Laurine LECAVELIER (FRA)-new total: 2087 (season end rank=24)
20-Mao ASADA (JPN)-new total: 2016 (season end rank=25)
21-Angelina KUCHVALSKA (LAT)-new total: 1951 (season end rank=18)
22-Marin HONDA (JPN)-new total: 1934 (season end rank=29)
23-Soyoun PARK (KOR)-new total: 1892 (season end rank=17)
24-Ivett TOTH (HUN)-new total: 1888 (season end rank=28)
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25-Nicole RAJICOVA (SVK)-new total: 1870 (season end rank=19)
26-Mariah BELL (USA)-new total: 1738 (season end rank=30)
27-Yuna SHIRAIWA (JPN)-new total: 1600 (season end rank=39)
28-Alaine CHARTRAND (CAN)-new total: 1573 (season end rank=23)
29-Zijun LI (CHN)-new total: 1560 (season end rank=33)
30-Matilda ALGOTSSON (SWE)-new total: 1482 (season end rank=42)

Theoretically, if the Japanese Fed notifies the ISU that Mao Asada has retired, and the ISU makes the change before GP, Rajicova would be bumped up. Similarly, with Ge in Men.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Pairs:

1-Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD (CAN)-new total: 4424 (season end rank=1)
2-Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV (RUS)-new total: 4335 (season end rank=2)
3-Aliona SAVCHENKO / Bruno MASSOT (GER)-new total: 3752 (season end rank=4)
4-Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES (FRA)-new total: 3242 (season end rank=6)
5-Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV (RUS)-new total: 3162 (season end rank=3)
6-Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN (CHN)-new total: 3040 (season end rank=5)
7-Liubov ILYUSHECHKINA / Dylan MOSCOVITCH (CAN)-new total: 2959 (season end rank=10)
8-Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK (ITA)-new total: 2857 (season end rank=14)
9-Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE (ITA)-new total: 2771 (season end rank=11)
10-Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU (CAN)-new total: 2748 (season end rank=8)
11-Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV (RUS)-new total: 2587 (season end rank=12)
12-Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER (AUT)-new total: 2521 (season end rank=16)
13-Alexa SCIMECA KNIERIM / Chris KNIERIM (USA)-new total: 2506 (season end rank=7)
14-Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT (RUS)-new total: 2488 (season end rank=17)
15-Tarah KAYNE / Danny O'SHEA (USA)-new total: 2409 (season end rank=13)
16-Anna DUSKOVA / Martin BIDAR (CZE)-new total: 2301 (season end rank=18)
17-Marissa CASTELLI / Mervin TRAN (USA)-new total: 2210 (season end rank=19)
18-Mari VARTMANN / Ruben BLOMMAERT (GER)-new total: 2139 (season end rank=20)
19-Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV (RUS)-new total: 2116 (season end rank=9)
20-Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG (CHN)-new total: 1995 (season end rank=22)
21-Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO (CAN)-new total: 1800 (season end rank=21)
22-Sumire SUTO / Francis BOUDREAU-AUDET (JPN)-new total: 1619 (season end rank=23)
23-Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV (RUS)-new total: 1540 (season end rank=24)
24-Chelsea LIU / Brian JOHNSON (USA)-new total: 1515 (season end rank=24)
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25-Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER (USA)-new total: 1492 (season end rank=15)
26-Xuehan WANG / Lei WANG (CHN)-new total: 1445 (season end rank=27)
27-Goda BUTKUTE / Nikita ERMOLAEV (LTU)-new total: 1416 (season end rank=28)
28-Ekaterina BORISOVA / Dmitry SOPOT (RUS)-new total: 1411 (season end rank=29)
29-Cheng PENG / Yang JIN (CHN)-new total: 1383 (season end rank=31)
30-Tae Ok RYOM / Ju Sik KIM (PRK)-new total: 1372 (season end rank=32)

I don't think they'll remove Vartmann/Blommaert, but Denney/Frazier are SB 14 and will be guaranteed one. Also, if Cain/Leduc earn a SB of 173.51 or higher at WTT and knock Kayne/O'Shea off the Top 24 SB list, Kayne/O'Shea will be guaranteed one for Top 24 WS.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Dance:

1-Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES (USA)-new total: 4444 (season end rank=1)
2-Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI (USA)-new total: 4326 (season end rank=2)
3-Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE (ITA)-new total: 4095 (season end rank=6)
4-Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE (USA)-new total: 3948 (season end rank=5)
5-Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV (RUS)-new total: 3935 (season end rank=7)
6-Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE (CAN)-new total: 3846 (season end rank=4)
7-Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON (FRA)-new total: 3400 (season end rank=3)
8-Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI (ITA)-new total: 3329 (season end rank=8)
9-Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER (CAN)-new total: 3023 (season end rank=9)
10-Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR (CAN)-new total: 2700 (season end rank=11)
11-Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN (DEN)-new total: 2684 (season end rank=12)
12-Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN (RUS)-new total: 2604 (season end rank=10)
13-Isabella TOBIAS / Ilia TKACHENKO (ISR)-new total: 2546 (season end rank=13)
14-Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV (RUS)-new total: 2175 (season end rank=18)
15-Natalia KALISZEK / Maksym SPODYRIEV (POL)-new total: 2159 (season end rank=19)
16-Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS (USA)-new total: 2084 (season end rank=20)
17-Alla LOBODA / Pavel DROZD (RUS)-new total: 1985 (season end rank=21)
18-Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR (TUR)-new total: 1979 (season end rank=23)
19-Kana MURAMOTO / Chris REED (JPN)-new total: 1910 (season end rank=25)
20-Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LE GAC (FRA)-new total: 1903 (season end rank=26)
21-Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER (USA)-new total: 1900 (season end rank=24)
22-Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER (USA)-new total: 1849 (season end rank=15)
23-Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN (UKR)-new total: 1818 (season end rank=17)
24-Elena ILINYKH / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN (RUS)-new total: 1740 (season end rank=16)
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25-Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND (GBR)-new total: 1712 (season end rank=14)
26-Elliana POGREBINSKY / Alex BENOIT (USA)-new total: 1692 (season end rank=27)
27-Yura MIN / Alexander GAMELIN (KOR)-new total: 1585 (season end rank=31)
28-Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU (CHN)-new total: 1471 (season end rank=22)
29-Angelique ABACHKINA / Louis THAURON (FRA)-new total: 1392 (season end rank=34)
30-Anastasia CANNUSCIO / Colin MCMANUS (USA)-new total: 1364 (season end rank=29)

ETA: I was doing some manual adjustments to my pre-Worlds numbers when I calculated the difference between C/B and the Shibs adjusted totals up thread. C/B are 118 points ahead.

 

[Tavi]

I'm getting 2612 for Kolyada, but I trimmed each calculation to the whole number, and you rounded the sum.

This is what I'm getting (Top 30):

Men:
1-Yuzuru HANYU (JPN)-new total: 4471 (season end rank=1)
2-Shoma UNO (JPN)-new total: 3745 (season end rank=2)
3-Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP)-new total: 3482 (season end rank=3)
4-Patrick CHAN (CAN)-new total: 3258 (season end rank=4)
5-Boyang JIN (CHN)-new total: 2893 (season end rank=7)
6-Nathan CHEN (USA)-new total: 2640 (season end rank=10)
7-Mikhail KOLYADA (RUS)-new total: 2612 (season end rank=9)
8-Alexei BYCHENKO (ISR)-new total: 2508 (season end rank=11)
9-Jason BROWN (USA)-new total: 2406 (season end rank=5)
10-Maxim KOVTUN (RUS)-new total: 2363 (season end rank=8)
11-Adam RIPPON (USA)-new total: 2321 (season end rank=6)
12-Daniel SAMOHIN (ISR)-new total: 2288 (season end rank=16)
13-Max AARON (USA)-new total: 2269 (season end rank=13)
14-Dmitri ALIEV (RUS)-new total: 2252 (season end rank=20)
15-Alexander SAMARIN (RUS)-new total: 2140 (season end rank=17)
16-Alexander PETROV (RUS)-new total: 2132 (season end rank=18)
17-Jorik HENDRICKX (BEL)-new total: 1971 (season end rank=25)
18-Keiji TANAKA (JPN)-new total: 1900 (season end rank=21)
19-Deniss VASILJEVS (LAT)-new total: 1767 (season end rank=24)
20-Vincent ZHOU (USA)-new total: 1742 (season end rank=31)
21-Chafik BESSEGHIER (FRA)-new total: 1707 (season end rank=29)
22-Misha GE (UZB)-new total: 1700 (season end rank=22)
23-Grant HOCHSTEIN (USA)-new total: 1648 (season end rank=27)
24-Kevin REYNOLDS (CAN)-new total: 1648 (season end rank=30)
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25-Sergei VORONOV (RUS)-new total: 1576 (season end rank=14)
26-Nam NGUYEN (CAN)-new total: 1516 (season end rank=23)
27-Michal BREZINA (CZE)-new total: 1513 (season end rank=19)
28-Han YAN (CHN)-new total: 1493 (season end rank=26)
29-Takahito MURA (JPN)-new total: 1476 (season end rank=15)
30-Denis TEN (KAZ)-new total: 1470 (season end rank=12)

Thank you for this!

 

[Mad for Skating]

Pairs:

1-Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD (CAN)-new total: 4424 (season end rank=1)
2-Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV (RUS)-new total: 4335 (season end rank=2)
3-Aliona SAVCHENKO / Bruno MASSOT (GER)-new total: 3752 (season end rank=4)
4-Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES (FRA)-new total: 3242 (season end rank=6)
5-Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV (RUS)-new total: 3162 (season end rank=3)
6-Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN (CHN)-new total: 3040 (season end rank=5)

The pair that was 7th at Worlds is 1st and the pair that won Worlds is 6th. And that's why I don't pay attention to World Ranking.
James/Cipres in 4th ahead of Stolbova/Klimov and Sui/Han? Clearly that's because S/K and S/H were injured and missed competitions.

*divas Stolbova and Sui plot Olympic season revenge*

 

[blancanieves]

Dance:

1-Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES (USA)-new total: 4444 (season end rank=1)
2-Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI (USA)-new total: 4326 (season end rank=2)
3-Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE (ITA)-new total: 4095 (season end rank=6)
4-Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE (USA)-new total: 3948 (season end rank=5)
5-Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV (RUS)-new total: 3935 (season end rank=7)
6-Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE (CAN)-new total: 3846 (season end rank=4)
7-Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON (FRA)-new total: 3400 (season end rank=3)
8-Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI (ITA)-new total: 3329 (season end rank=8)
9-Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER (CAN)-new total: 3023 (season end rank=9)
10-Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR (CAN)-new total: 2700 (season end rank=11)
11-Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN (DEN)-new total: 2684 (season end rank=12)
12-Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN (RUS)-new total: 2604 (season end rank=10)
13-Isabella TOBIAS / Ilia TKACHENKO (ISR)-new total: 2546 (season end rank=13)
14-Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV (RUS)-new total: 2175 (season end rank=18)
15-Natalia KALISZEK / Maksym SPODYRIEV (POL)-new total: 2159 (season end rank=19)
16-Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS (USA)-new total: 2084 (season end rank=20)
17-Alla LOBODA / Pavel DROZD (RUS)-new total: 1985 (season end rank=21)
18-Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR (TUR)-new total: 1979 (season end rank=23)
19-Kana MURAMOTO / Chris REED (JPN)-new total: 1910 (season end rank=25)
20-Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LE GAC (FRA)-new total: 1903 (season end rank=26)
21-Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER (USA)-new total: 1900 (season end rank=24)
22-Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER (USA)-new total: 1849 (season end rank=15)
23-Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN (UKR)-new total: 1818 (season end rank=17)
24-Elena ILINYKH / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN (RUS)-new total: 1740 (season end rank=16)
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25-Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND (GBR)-new total: 1712 (season end rank=14)
26-Elliana POGREBINSKY / Alex BENOIT (USA)-new total: 1692 (season end rank=27)
27-Yura MIN / Alexander GAMELIN (KOR)-new total: 1585 (season end rank=31)
28-Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU (CHN)-new total: 1471 (season end rank=22)
29-Angelique ABACHKINA / Louis THAURON (FRA)-new total: 1392 (season end rank=34)
30-Anastasia CANNUSCIO / Colin MCMANUS (USA)-new total: 1364 (season end rank=29)

ETA: I was doing some manual adjustments to my pre-Worlds numbers when I calculated the difference between C/B and the Shibs adjusted totals up thread. C/B are 118 points ahead.

Won't this change slightly after WTT?

 

[kwanfan1818]

No. No WS points are awarded at WTT. Scores count towards SB, though.

 

[Mad for Skating]

No. No WS points are awarded at WTT. Scores count towards SB, though.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[DDNatalia]

Is it World RANK or World STANDING that determines whether a skater is "top 10" and thus is "seeded"/last 2 groups for the short program/dance at Olympics?

 

[Sylvia]

Top 24 Season Best total scores in each discipline after World Team Trophy:

MEN http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2016-17/sbtsmto.htm
1 321.59 Yuzuru HANYU JPN ISU World Championships 2017
2 319.31 Shoma UNO JPN ISU World Championships 2017
3 307.46 Nathan CHEN USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2017
4 303.58 Boyang JIN CHN ISU World Championships 2017
5 301.19 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP ISU World Championships 2017
6 295.16 Patrick CHAN CAN ISU World Championships 2017
7 279.41 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS ISU World Team Trophy 2017
8 273.67 Jason BROWN USA ISU World Team Trophy 2017
9 269.26 Denis TEN KAZ ISU GP Trophee de France 2016
10 267.53 Adam RIPPON USA ISU GP Trophee de France 2016
11 266.80 Maxim KOVTUN RUS ISU European Championships 2017
12 258.11 Vincent ZHOU USA ISU World Junior Championships 2017
13 255.52 Alexei BYCHENKO ISR ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2016
14 253.84 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN ISU World Championships 2017
15 252.20 Takahito MURA JPN ISU CS US Internat. FS Classic 2016
16 248.44 Keiji TANAKA JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2016
17 247.31 Dmitri ALIEV RUS ISU World Junior Championships 2017
18 245.53 Alexander SAMARIN RUS ISU World Junior Championships 2017
19 245.28 Sergei VORONOV RUS ISU GP 2016 Progressive Skate America
20 243.47 Alexander PETROV RUS ISU World Junior Championships 2017
21 243.45 Misha GE UZB ISU World Championships 2017
22 242.74 Max AARON USA ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2016
23 242.56 Jorik HENDRICKX BEL ISU European Championships 2017
24 242.45 Jun Hwan CHA KOR ISU World Junior Championships 2017

LADIES http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2016-17/sbtslto.htm
1 241.31 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS ISU World Team Trophy 2017
2 218.33 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2016/17
3 218.27 Mai MIHARA JPN ISU World Team Trophy 2017
4 218.13 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN ISU World Championships 2017
5 216.71 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN ISU World Team Trophy 2017
6 216.47 Anna POGORILAYA RUS ISU Grand Prix Final 2016/17
7 214.15 Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN ISU World Team Trophy 2017
8 210.52 Carolina KOSTNER ITA ISU European Championships 2017
9 209.29 Elena RADIONOVA RUS ISU World Team Trophy 2017
10 208.60 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS ISU World Junior Championships 2017
11 204.01 Ashley WAGNER USA ISU World Team Trophy 2017
12 201.61 Marin HONDA JPN ISU World Junior Championships 2017
13 200.35 Maria SOTSKOVA RUS ISU GP Trophee de France 2016
14 199.29 Karen CHEN USA ISU World Championships 2017
15 195.54 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN ISU World Junior Championships 2017
16 194.95 Mirai NAGASU USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2017
17 194.57 Anastasiia GUBANOVA RUS ISU JGP Pokal d. Blauen Schwerter 2016 (too young for SR)
18 194.24 Rika KIHIRA JPN ISU JGP Ljubljana Cup 2016 (too young for SR)
19 194.02 Polina TSURSKAYA RUS ISU JGP Tallinn Cup 2016
20 192.57 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2016
21 191.99 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ ISU World Championships 2017
22 191.59 Mariah BELL USA ISU GP 2016 Progressive Skate America
23 191.39 Alena LEONOVA RUS ISU CS Golden Spin 2016
24 191.11 Dabin CHOI KOR ISU World Championships 2017

PAIRS http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2016-17/sbtspto.htm
1 232.06 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN ISU World Championships 2017
2 230.30 Aliona SAVCHENKO / Bruno MASSOT GER ISU World Championships 2017
3 227.58 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV RUS ISU European Championships 2017
4 222.59 Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES FRA ISU World Team Trophy 2017
5 218.30 Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD CAN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2016
6 216.51 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS ISU European Championships 2017
7 211.51 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG CHN ISU World Championships 2017
8 208.30 Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU CAN ISU CS Autumn Classic International 2016
9 206.19 Liubov ILYUSHECHKINA / Dylan MOSCOVITCH CAN ISU World Championships 2017
10 204.49 Cheng PENG / Yang JIN CHN ISU World Team Trophy 2017
11 203.92 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA ISU World Championships 2017
12 202.37 Alexa SCIMECA KNIERIM / Chris KNIERIM USA ISU World Championships 2017
13 200.75 Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT RUS ISU European Championships 2017
14 199.65 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN ISU World Team Trophy 2017
15 192.65 Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER USA ISU GP 2016 Progressive Skate America
16 192.02 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA ISU World Championships 2017
17 189.09 Anna DUSKOVA / Martin BIDAR CZE ISU European Championships 2017
18 188.74 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2016
19 185.42 Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV RUS ISU CS Ondrej Nepela Memorial 2016
20 185.32 Xuehan WANG / Lei WANG CHN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2016
21 180.63 Anastasia MISHINA / Vladislav MIRZOEV RUS ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2016/17 (SPLIT)
22 176.18 Marissa CASTELLI / Mervin TRAN USA ISU GP Trophee de France 2016
23 173.88 Mari VARTMANN / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2016 (SPLIT)
24 173.50 Tarah KAYNE / Danny O'SHEA USA ISU GP 2016 Progressive Skate America

DANCE http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2016-17/sbtsdto.htm
1 198.62 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN ISU World Championships 2017
2 196.04 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA ISU World Championships 2017
3 191.85 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2017
4 190.56 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN ISU World Team Trophy 2017
5 189.01 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA ISU World Team Trophy 2017
6 186.68 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2016
7 186.64 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA ISU European Championships 2017
8 185.19 Elena ILINYKH / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN RUS ISU CS Tallinn Trophy 2016
9 182.57 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2016
10 180.82 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2017
11 180.30 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA ISU CS Golden Spin 2016
12 177.80 Isabella TOBIAS / Ilia TKACHENKO ISR ISU CS Tallinn Trophy 2016
13 177.41 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2016
14 177.36 Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER USA ISU CS Golden Spin 2016
15 173.02 Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS ISU CS Warsaw Cup 2016
16 171.94 Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2016
17 167.81 Elliana POGREBINSKY / Alex BENOIT USA ISU CS Tallinn Trophy 2016
18 164.83 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA ISU World Junior Championships 2017
19 164.37 Alla LOBODA / Pavel DROZD RUS ISU World Junior Championships 2017
20 163.00 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR ISU CS Tallinn Trophy 2016
21 160.68 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN ISU European Championships 2017
22 159.30 Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER USA ISU JGP Czech Skate 2016
23 158.36 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN ISU World Team Trophy 2017
24 157.19 Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO USA ISU JGP Cup of Mordovia 2016 (likely returning to JGP)

 

[clairecloutier]

Thanks @Sylvia.

Do we know if the World Standings rankings have been updated following WTT? I just wonder at what point in the season they become "final."

 

[Sylvia]

Last year the ISU World Standings were updated for the 2016-17 season on April 30, 2016.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Is it World RANK or World STANDING that determines whether a skater is "top 10" and thus is "seeded"/last 2 groups for the short program/dance at Olympics?

Top 10 has nothing to do with it.

All SD/SP seeding is based on WS. WR was only used for a couple of years by the ISU to give money to the top three in each discipline in WR at the end of the season, and by USFS mistakenly as a criteria for WTT one year, when, haha, they really meant WS.

If Korea qualifies for a discipline, the Top X in each discipline, ie, 6 for singles, 5 for Dance, and 4 for Pairs in WS at the cut-off point, which includes Euris and, IIRC, 4C's -- draw for all the spots in the last group. The next 6/5/4 draw for spots in the penultimate group. The next 3/2/2 draw for the last three spots in the third group. The rest of the field starts in the first half.

The wrinkle is that if Korea doesn't qualify for a discipline, the rules say that the first flight is expanded by one, and the Korean skater/team skates first, but they don't explicitly say that this host spot is excluded from the skating later/earlier math. Since odd numbers increase the skating later half, the number of skaters drawing for the last spots in group three could increase by one, based on a field of 31 and/or 25 and/or 21.

If Korea doesn't qualify but appoints a host spot, then that skater/team skates first in the expanded first group of five groups. (This is different from Worlds/Euros/4C's where they'd add a group with the additional skater/team.). Then any unranked skater/team, ie, those with no WS points, draw for the early starting spots, and the rest of the starting earlier group draws for the remaining spots in groups one-three.

 

[missing]

David Molina tweeted the following:

David Molina‏ @_David_Molina

ISU Sr GP assignments of #figureskating for next season will be decided on June 24th & 25th in Tel Aviv, Israel