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2012 Short Dance

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Allen, May 1, 2011.

  1. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

    I am interested to see what everyone thinks about next year's short dance. Here are the rules for next season.

    Here is a video of the Rhumba compulsory dance with Jean Senft explaining the dance.

    Here is a video of the Cha Cha Congelado which the junior teams will use.

    I wasn't excited at first, but I think it will actually be fun, minus all the brother sister teams doing the rhumba.
    Last edited: May 2, 2011
  2. love skating

    love skating Clueless American

    I'm most interested in seeing the no touching circular step sequence. Sounds interesting. Not to mention the crazy costumes we'll probably get to see.
  3. plushenkofan

    plushenkofan New Member

    Bring on the skimpy neon Latin costumes :D
  4. literaryfreak

    literaryfreak Well-Known Member

    I'm still waiting for my Yankee Polka SD. :wuzrobbed

    But in seriousness, I'm so intrigued by this non-touching circular step sequence.
  5. Lilith11

    Lilith11 New Member

    ITA w/the second half. Really be a test for the unison of the senior teams :3
  6. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

    Me too. I want to see a serpentine non touch sequence too.

    That could be interesting too, but I see most teams just doing the sequences together.
    Last edited: May 2, 2011
  7. shan

    shan Well-Known Member

    I'm wondering what modern music fits the rhumba tempo. Any ideas?
  8. Capella

    Capella Guest

    But the ice dance rhumba is not is sexy like the dancefloor one. It's much more perky. I don't think they'll be the ick factor.
  9. BaileyCatts

    BaileyCatts Well-Known Member

    Are u kiddin' me? Slutty Latin costumes!!! Bring it on!!! :cheer2:

  10. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

    I think I'm still traumatized by Chris Reed kissing Cathy's arms yesterday. Kieffer Hubble retired and that was the team I was really worried about.

    I think the circular no touching step sequence is going to be fab. I also agree that a serpentine would be great.

    I think the compulsory pattern itself is really boring. I like the Golden Waltz because it is obviously very challenging. I think Silver Samba would have been more interesting.
  11. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the links, may I say the Rhumba seems totally simple and flat and will feel like a waste of time in the middle of the SD? not to mention the pattern hardly has any latin vibe.. dissapointed.

    Im really curious about the circular non touching sequence. I remember Castile & Okolski doing a very cute one for pairs in their SP of the 2007-2008 season but I cant find any links on youtube :(
  12. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

    I wanna see what Elena and Nikita can do :smokin:
  13. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

  14. Jenya

    Jenya Let me show you Tel Aviv

    The Rhumba looks easy but it's difficult to do well. I definitely don't think it's as difficult as the Golden Waltz, but it's not easy - there are certainly still sections that will challenge a lot of teams.

    I like the choice of a Latin theme, and seeing a circular non-touching step sequence should be interesting.
  15. aster

    aster Member

    The Samba is easier than the Rhumba, not that the Rhumba is particularly difficult at that level (especially compared to the Golden!)

    I'm with literaryfreak on the Yankee Polka SD, though. That would be great!
  16. Ozzisk8tr

    Ozzisk8tr Well-Known Member

    My favourite rumba track is Jose Feliciano's "Light my Fire", I know it's not too modern but there are a few out there. African Tango by Adeimus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLc-FyK5BrI) is stunning, I also saw an amazing one to Tracy Chapmans "Fast Car" but don't think it would transfer to ice very well.
  17. zebobes

    zebobes Active Member

    The Rhumba looks so boring. How can it feel like a Rhumba if you're skating side by side the ENTIRE time?
  18. Ozzisk8tr

    Ozzisk8tr Well-Known Member

    V/M will already have a head start on everyone else having a latin FD this year. I hope they use parts of it as it was too good to just see once.
  19. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

    I think the Yankee Polka would be amazing. I think the Finnstep would also make a really good pattern for a SD (other rhythms could be foxtrot, charleston, jitterbug, etc)

    Yes, the Samba might be a little easier, but I like it better somehow.
  20. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    The Rhumba is not simple (and there's no easy compulsory at that level). It's all about edges, rhythm. The double choctaw is very difficult, because the upper body mustn't move, the edge is deep and the free leg must be tight.
    The thing is that there are not many steps. So, I agree with you, I'm afraid it will be difficult to include it in a SD with so many other steps to do beside the compulsory part !
  21. aster

    aster Member

    What other rhythms could you bring in with the Yankee? I don't know what else goes with polkas, though there are obviously lots of different kinds of polkas (just listen to variety in the ISU music for that dance!)

    I actually think those two will eventually be used (hopefully sooner rather than later). Since they seem to want to match dance styles for junior and senior (and should, since a rare team competes both), the ISU is pretty much stuck with tango (Argentine/Tango Romantica), waltz (Viennese, Golden, Starlight, Austrian, Ravensburger, Westminster), Latin (Samba, CCC, Rhumba), polka (Killian/Yankee), quickstep (Quickstep/Finnstep), and blues (Blues/Midnight). I hope they actually cycle through those and don't just do waltz every third year just because there are so many of them.
  22. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

    I really like Tango Romantica, so I'm okay with that one, but I hope they just limit that one to tango all the way through the program. I like the Golden Waltz by itself, but all of the Wangos and sappy contemporary Waltzes are getting really annoying to me. I think I really loved about 4 SDs this year and that was Z/G, R/T, I/K, and K/G-S. The Shibutanis was almost to the love level, but I felt like it needed a little mroe power behind it. I actually kind the Amelia part of P/Bs SD more than the Dr. Zhivago program.

    I think Finnstep is going to be really fun. I actually hope the ISU will develop a few new compulsory patterns. Torville and Dean's paso would be a great one. K/O's Jive could be modified into a compulsory pattern.
  23. Tammi

    Tammi Nana

    That's a really good question. Most rhumba music fits into the ballroom style, but it seems way too slow to fit the specs for an ice dance rhumba. Teams can probably select rhumba music as one of their cuts, but I don't think they could skate the pattern using it.

    I don't have much of a musical ear, but from the beat requirements, "the range of tempo is 43 to 45 measures of four beats per minute (172-180 beats per minute)", would samba or cha cha music fit better for the pattern?
  24. plushenkofan

    plushenkofan New Member

    Music I think fits the rhumba would be
    -La Bamba (Ritchie Valens or Los Lobos' versions)
    -Sex and the City theme
    -Low Rider by War
  25. semogal

    semogal Well-Known Member

    All I can say is bring back the OD!
  26. Athena

    Athena New Member

    Yay! I heart latin theme! There're so many great SDs from the past season, can't wait to see what will be brought to the table next year.
  27. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller #1 Dick Button Fan

    V/M aren't going to keep their latest FD, are they? If so, they'll be doing "ballroom latin" for both the short & free dances. Even though I love 'Mujer Latina.'
  28. MarieM

    MarieM Grumpy Cynical Ice Dance Lover

    Latin. Pfff. I already envision all those junior skaters trying to be smoking hot and so.
    How I miss the old days.

    Plus except the rhumba that I like quite a lot when done à la T&D, all the other dances are NOT made for ice dance at all.
  29. L'amour

    L'amour New Member

    uhrrr latin dances on ice are juts so tacky (most of them) :scream: some team can have some kind of advatage like Ekena and Nikita, Madison and Greg, Tessa and Scot and some others but on the other hand...I don't know what Shins are going to do, they will have to creat a SD by other kind of perspective and not the sensual, sexy side of the dance. I can see Meryl and Charlie going for the same thing.
  30. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

    :confused: Chock and Zuerlin might as well be brother and sister with their "chemistry".