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2012-13 U.S. Team Envelopes & International Selection Pool (ISP)

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Sylvia, Feb 15, 2012.

  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    For those interested, here's my UNOFFICIAL compilation of U.S. Team A, B and C envelope skaters/teams for the 2012-13 season based on the published criteria (with Junior Worlds and Worlds to go) at: http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/projected-2012-13-u-s-team-envelopes-so-far/

    USFS' 2012-13 International Selection Pool (ISP) eventually should include "all Team A, B and C [Senior/Junior] age-eligible athletes and any other athletes being considered for an international competition." The ISP athletes list usually is published online sometime after the current season ends (it was published in late March last year).
  2. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the list! Potentially a big bummer for Max Aaron, Angela Wang, Zhang/Bartholomay, and Samuelson/Gilles, the 8th place finishers from Nationals. Max missed a medal at Nebelhorn by 3 points, Angela wasn't sent out internationally after missing Nationals in a very tough section last year but tremendous in her FS at Nationals (now get a better SP please!), Z/B were great in their FS at Nationals, don't think I saw S/G but they are promising also. Hopefully at least these skaters are named to the Reserve team and get some assignments next season, or even better, this spring!
  3. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    It's possible that the following criterion could be applied to any of the 8th place finishers mentioned above:
  4. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    2 new envelope criteria listed under "Additional Considerations":

  5. centerpt1

    centerpt1 Well-Known Member

    The Lysacek clause?
    lamarenee and (deleted member) like this.
  6. Polymer Bob

    Polymer Bob New Member

    I seem to recall there being an Abbott / Czisny clause. The National champ was not guaranteed Team A. He/she/they also had to place above a certain level in certain ISU events. Maybe that was a temporary rule.
  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Not quite. This season (2011-12) there are 2 "tiers" per envelope (A-C) and 2011 national champs Alissa Czisny and Meryl Davis/Charlie White automatically qualified for Team A Tier 2 and then were bumped up to Team A Tier 1 (the highest level of envelope funding) by placing in the top 10 at 2011 Worlds (Davis/White and the Shibutanis also automatically qualified for A-1 by medalling at 2011 Worlds). It's not spelled out in the 2012-13 team envelope criteria re. A-1 vs. A-2, but I am assuming the same things may apply to the 2012 National champions competing at Worlds.
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2012
  8. mineko

    mineko Member


    Thank you for starting this thread. :) It is very educational to me. I do have a lot of questions, and I am hoping that well-informed posters here further enlighten me. :confused:

    1. What is the amount of funding for each envelop/tier?

    2. Are the funding differ according to disciplines (singles vs. pairs/ice skaters)?

    3. How the USFS determine which skater(s) to assign to which international event(s)?

    4. Are there any way non-funded, non-enveloped skater(s) able to participate in international comp(s)?
    (disclosure) I'm a huge fun of Samuelson/Gilles, and I am desperately trying to find ways to have them more opportunities. :(

    Again, thank you in advance. :)
  9. hlp728

    hlp728 Active Member

  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Normally Senior B and JGP assignments are based primarily on most recent Nationals results. Grand Prix assignments are based on ISU World Standings rankings and Season Best scores; USFS chooses their own skaters for Skate America, including host picks.

    Yes. Any skater chosen for an international assignment who is not in the A-C funded envelopes will be added to the Reserve team (unfunded) and they will receive some funding if they medal.

    As was mentioned earlier in this thread, it's possible that some or all of the 8th place finishers at 2012 Nationals could be added to the C-1 envelope... we'll just have to wait and see. Samuelson/Gilles are likely candidates for a Senior B assignment if they compete well at the Lake Placid dance comp. later this summer, for example.
  11. mineko

    mineko Member

    ^^ Thank you.
    The 1999 article also informs me just how little funding and support skaters receive. It's a somber reality.
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2012
  12. UDelpairs2012

    UDelpairs2012 New Member

    Any news about the ISP for this season yet?
  13. icedancingdrmz

    icedancingdrmz New Member

  14. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    I've updated my unofficial, projected team envelopes compilation with the officially known team splits (ETA) as of April 10 -- link in post #1.
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2012
  15. sammyf

    sammyf Well-Known Member

    2012-13 International Selection Pool is up http://www.usfsa.org/Athletes.asp?id=447

    Kiri Baga S10
    Mariah Bell J5
    Ashley Cain J2
    Samantha Cesario SWD
    Alissa Czisny S2
    McKinzie Daniels S13
    Polina Edmunds J6
    Rachael Flatt S6
    Christina Gao S5
    Gracie Gold J1
    Jenelle Herman J8
    Courtney Hicks SWD
    Nina Jiang S11
    Leah Keiser S12
    Katarina Kulgeyko J9
    Vanessa Lam S9
    Barbie Long J4
    Hannah Miller J3
    Mirai Nagasu S7
    Gwendolyn Prescott J7
    Yasmin Siraj S15
    Ashley Wagner S1
    Angela Wang S8
    Agnes Zawadzki S3
    Caroline Zhang S4

    Max Aaron S8
    Jeremy Abbott S1
    Jason Brown S9
    Stephen Carriere S6
    Jonathan Cassar S11
    Nathan Chen J1
    Harrison Choate J4
    Timothy Dolensky J2
    Richard Dornbush S13
    Scott Dyer S10
    Joshua Farris S16
    Grant Hochstein S12
    Spencer Howe N3
    Alexander Johnson S15
    Lukas Kaugars J5
    Evan Lysacek
    Armin Mahbanoozadeh S4
    Keegan Messing S7
    Ross Miner S3
    Brandon Mroz S14
    Shotaro Omori PSectional 5
    Douglas Razzano S5
    Adam Rippon S2
    James Schetelich N2
    Kevin Shum N4
    Troy Tomasello J8
    David Wang J11
    Philip Warren J3
    Johnny Weir-Voronov
    Jay Yostanto J7

    Madeline Aaron & Max Settlage J6
    Jessica Noelle Calalang & Zack Sidhu J4
    Marissa Castelli & Simon Shnapir S5
    Brianna de la Mora & Taylor Wilson J8
    Caydee Denney & John Coughlin S1
    Haven Denney & Brandon Frazier J1
    Gretchen Donlan & Andrew Speroff S4
    Kylie Duarte & Colin Grafton J3
    Audrey Goldberg & Joseph Dolkiewicz J10
    Mary Beth Marley & Rockne Brubaker S2
    Olivia Oltmanns & Joshua Santillan J9
    Jessica Pfund & AJ Reiss J5
    Britney Simpson & Matthew Blackmer J2
    Tiffany Vise & Don Baldwin S9
    Christina Zaitsev & Ernie Stevens N4
    Felicia Zhang & Nathan Bartholomay S8

    Alexandra Aldridge & Daniel Eaton J1
    Amanda Bertsch & Semen Kaplun J7
    Anastasia Cannuscio & Colin McManus S6
    Madison Chock & Evan Bates S5
    Meryl Davis & Charlie White S1
    Kaitlin Hawayek & Michael Bramante J6
    Madeline Heritage & Nathaniel Fast J5
    Madison Hubbell & Zach Donohue S3
    Lynn Kriengkrairut & Logan Giulietti-Schmitt S4
    Charlotte Lichtman & Dean Copely S10
    Lorraine McNamara & Quinn Carpenter J3
    Whitney Miller & Kyle MacMillan N2
    Holly Moore & Daniel Klaber N1
    Rachel Parsons & Michael Parsons J4
    Elliana Pogrebinsky & Ross Gudis J8
    Hannah Rosinski & Jacob Jaffe N3
    Emily Samuelson & Todd Gilles S8
    Maia Shibutani & Alex Shibutani S2
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2012
  16. sammyf

    sammyf Well-Known Member

    From this it seems Andrea Poapst/Christopher Knierim S7 split
    I wish Belt/Johnson would have been added for their great score at YOG.
  17. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Yes, Poapst/Knierim have split even though they currently are still listed in the 2011-12 Team C envelope on the USFS site.

    Caitlin Belt/Michael Johnson hopefully can and will be added to the ISP if they compete well this summer.

    ETA: I'm glad to see Shotaro Omori was included in the ISP - he didn't qualify for Nationals but the Pacific Coast Sectional Junior Men's field was very deep/competitive this season.

    ETA #2: I've extracted the JGP age-eligible skaters/teams if anyone would like to discussion them here: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3556714#post3556714
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2012
  18. triple_toe

    triple_toe Well-Known Member

  19. BittyBug

    BittyBug Dispirited

    Nooooooo! :(

    :wuzrobbed :wuzrobbed :wuzrobbed :wuzrobbed

    Any news on whether either or both of them will continue skating?
  20. Stephanie

    Stephanie Well-Known Member

    I see that Joelle Forte isn't listed even though Siraj, who finished below her at nationals (while injured), is. I wonder if Forte has retired or if it's merely that Siraj was included since she's JGP-eligible and has good past results.
  21. ~tapdancer~

    ~tapdancer~ Well-Known Member

    :( I really liked them, they were a lovely team.
  22. icellist

    icellist Active Member

    Hope she is still competing. Her lp was one of my faves. She had nice transitions in and out of her jumps. Her footwork was very fluid on one foot. Her true lutz. Check out her SA fs! Also her Rachmaninov lp!
  23. ChibiChibi

    ChibiChibi Active Member

    He had a back injury prior to the sectionals, and he had to fight through the pains at the Coast. He is pain free now and doing great. I'm glad to see his name on the list as well. I hope he'll make a great come back this year!
  24. lilshorty

    lilshorty Active Member

    On that note, what about Emmanuel Savary? He was 12th in Junior at Nationals behind David Wang. I really hope he does continue to skate. That kid is an immense talent. I wonder if he would have been on the list if other skaters who didn't compete this past season and previous seasons decided not to compete again.
  25. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

    I don't think one has to do with the other. I don't believe there is a set limit on the number of skaters that can be in the ISP. I imagine the JGP-eligible skaters were selected separately from the Senior skaters. Emmanuel didn't have a great Nats and IIRC didn't place high in his JGP this season. I guess in the opinion of USFS, there were other Junior skaters more deserving of int'l assignments this fall.

    I believe skaters can still be added to the pool if they do well in summer comps, like Gracie Gold was added last year (and eventually did get a JGP), so if Emmanuel performs well this summer, he could still potentially get on the list and get an assignment.
  26. lilshorty

    lilshorty Active Member

    OK I see. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
  27. pinky166

    pinky166 #teamtrainwreck #teamdiva

    He could still be added later, it probably depends on if skaters like Farris and Brown return to the JGP or decide to move to seniors, and then how skaters like Choate, Chen, and Yostanto do at their first events (I would bet the USFS expects them to do well and gain 2nd assignments). Usually only the top 8 or so in junior are listed on the ISP initially. If Farris and Brown both move up to seniors (which I assume they will...anyone hear anything?) and skaters who get initial assignments finish like 5th or lower, someone like Emmanuel could be added and sent to a JGP, provided he skates well over the summer.
  28. PinkFeathers

    PinkFeathers Active Member

    According to the USFS website:

    So, not much longer to wait. They have the header there, just the wrong info, lol.
  29. Sylvia

    Sylvia Prepping for club comp. season!

    Here's my updated projected team envelopes based on the published criteria (with the split teams removed): http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/projected-2012-13-u-s-team-envelopes-so-far/

    It remains to be seen whether or not one or more of these 3 criteria will be applied:

    Consideration will be given to place a 2010 Olympic medalist [Lysacek] into Team A or Team B at the discretion of the ICMS. These athletes must have retained their eligible status and must be committed to competing in the current and/or following competitive season.

    Consideration to place the athletes in Team C – Tier 1 will be given for senior level skaters placing lower at the U.S. Figure Skating Championships where the event was very strong or the results were very close.

    Consideration to place the athletes in Team C – Tier 2 will be given for junior level skaters placing lower at the U.S. Figure Skating Championships where the event was very strong or the results were very close.