What do the Shibs need to do?

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  1. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    They are still young. They have time to develop. Their bronze at worlds last year was a fluke. They are still developing and after the retirement of V&M and D&W their turn will come.
     
  2. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    Since the ISU has signalled that hiphop is an OK style (it is now featued in the Junior ice dance SD), I'd like to see the Shibs do a hiphop FD. It would be great with their quick feet, and the lack of romance wouldn't be any problem at all.

    Or maybe skate to something like Men Without Hats "Safety Dance"
     
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  3. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    By curiosity, I watched their Compulsories from 2006 to 2009. It seems they have personnality, at least, she is better than him and seems to have more personnality. I'm surprised their programs as senior don't show any !
     
  4. shan

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs

    Interesting idea.
     
  5. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    It's a Canadian band, and of course, worlds are in Ontario...

    Another Men without Hats dance number that might work is Pop Goes The World

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zUUtf7gOe8

    The video even has a pseudo skating pond in it ;)
     
  6. Bournekraatzfan

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    Thank you for posting these videos--I hadn't seen all of these performances before. I just love the ease with which they use their blades...such pure technique.

    I also enjoyed the bit with the samba basic, and Tracy Wilson loved that part too. Alex was channeling Corky Ballas, I thought. Samba was great for them as a brother-sister team, because it isn't necessarily romantic in its nature.
     
  7. pani

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    I like the final part of there SD this year. It was fast, dancing and funny.
    I like Shibs Japan OD - they were on fire.
    I think in there age they need to do something like this.
    I think they could made good work with Platov. His work with brother-sister team were really great!
     
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  8. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    Maia has just been accepted to UMich, so Platov as a coach is not likely to happen. Going to Platov for choreo might be a good thing though; he did a great job for the Kerrs. Peter Tchernyshev also did choreo for Kerrs.
     
  9. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    If they will not change something, they could be out of the podium at next season. H-D were not so far and they skate only 1 season together, so they will improve.
    C-B are team who could improve a lot in next season.
    So Shibs have choice- they want to be skaters or they want to be studience more.
     
  10. Judy

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    I think this is a young team that just needs some time and experience.
     
  11. elif

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    yes i think they are technically not very good. (lifts and other elements very very good actually.) i mean their stepsq didn't look fast and big, especially in SD. and their skating looks little apart to me, even in the dance holds. maybe exceptional one are V&M. they are skating close.

    İn the Shibs FD a lot of holds like they did at 2.07 i don't know its supposed to like that.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzS4ydTBfd0

    my first language isn't english. sorry if i did a mistake.:)
     
  12. Jasmar

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    Putting on the Former Dance Judge hat, their skating skills and basics are sublime - not sure what else to say about that. It's the choreo and stylistic growth that needs help, as many others have mentioned. I love the idea of trying Platov for choreo.
     
  13. martyross

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    i've read multiple times on this board that Zoueva and Shpilband dont want/allow their students to get outside choreography. if it's true, it's very frustrating. im not a fan of Schibutanis nor Davis-White, but its always a pity to see much talent being wasted this way. even though both teams are most likely fine with her artistic guide.
    i hope Worlds were a wake up call for Zoueva, as it seems that Krylova and Camerlengo are the real coaching stars now.
     
  14. MarieM

    MarieM Grumpy Cynical Ice Dance Lover

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    Would I be young, I'd go instantly to Carol Lane. I have a feeling one of her teams is gonna be the next "it" and her school with it. I see noone else with fresher ideas than hers.
     
  15. carriecmu0503

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    Sit out for the year it takes to switch countries, then represent Japan in the Olympic year. I was totally joking when I thought of that, but if they actually did do that, they could have an excellent shot at an OGM in the team event.....
     
  16. missysays

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    I second this. With the technical difficulty that they've gained from being with Zoueva and Shpilband, the next important thing is to find the right package.

    I thought one of the most charming FDs this year was Gilles/Poirier's Imagine/Sweet Dreams FD. Granted it was conceived by Chris Dean- but still the other programs coming out of that group have the same originality -plus allowing outside choreographers is always a plus in terms of letting new ideas flow in.
     
  17. love_skate2011

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    best Idea of them all
    Compete for Japan ! :cool:
     
  18. pani

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    Will USA federation lets them to switch country?
    I think they need to learn a lot off things, improve there skating and presentetion. They are so young - they have to do this.
     
  19. taz'smum

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    I believe that they would have to sit out 2 seasons if they are switching countries under recent-ish ISU rule changes.
     
  20. beebee

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    Please don't take it the wrong way, but are you saying this seriously or jokingly? I'm assuming the latter.
     
  21. jl22aries

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    I agree that the Lane group has some of the freshest ideas. The programs coming out of that camp are some of the only ones that surprise me in both concept, music choices, and movement.

    Not sure what the Shibs necessarily have to do. But I have a music idea! I love imagining them skating to Howl's Moving Castle theme song by Joe Hisiashi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owddukdxFv4
     
  22. beebee

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    I am clearly missing something. I'd love to see Ralph and Hill leave and don't recommend the Shibutanis go there.
     
  23. carriecmu0503

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    Singles skaters have to wait two years, but I believe pair/ dance skaters only have to wait one. Because they have Japanese citizenship (because of their parents), USFS would not be able to hold them back. Not that this would ever happen. It would just be really cool if they could compete in the team event for Japan.
     
  24. kwanfan1818

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    Alex Shibutani has to decide by his 22nd birthday, 25 April 2013, between citizenships, according to Japanese law. (US law doesn't care.) One way or the other, after that time, he's ineligible to skate in the Olympics for the other country. Maia Shibutani doesn't have to decide until 2016.