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    If adult silver is a competitive division at Obersdorf, why wouldn't the US use IJS for that level? It is the same set up as the rest of the adult events. Or is this a different adult silver?

    Just a question because it sounds like things are done differently in the US to here. Why does the referee set up the events in the US? Here we have a competition convenor to do that stuff. The referee basically turns up on the day (like the judges) and does the job of a referee.
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    Currently for Adults, IJS is generally only be used at the Adult Gold and higher levels. For "standard track", IJS is generally only used at Juvenile through Senior, although it may be used at the lower levels (Basic Skills through Pre-Juvenile). However, I have heard that there are several competitions on the West Coast that regularly use IJS at the lower levels for at least some of the events. Otherwise, events at the pre-juvenile and below levels, and adult Silver and below levels are judged using the 6.0 scoring system. I haven't worked with Synchro competitions, so I don't know the gory details of which Synchro levels are IJS and which are 6.0.

    As far as event organization/set-up, at least in the middle Atlantic portion of the USA, most non-qualifying competitions will be organized by a club (or possibly a couple clubs working together). The club will have one or more individuals serving as the "Local Organizing Committee" or competition chairperson. Generally the competition chair works with the club to procure the ice, invites the officials, authors the announcement and submits it for sanctioning (approval by US Figure Skating), and often also serves as the registration POC. Many non-qualifying competitions now use some sort of online registration which has streamlined things a lot for the competition chair and/or registration POC. Normally the competition chair will work with the chief referee to ensure sufficient officials with the appropriate appointments have been invited.

    Once registration has closed, the competition chair typically provides a list of events and number of entries to the chief referee, along with the number of hours of ice coverage available and the hours of coverage. The LOC also provides the chief accountant a list of skaters with club names by event and group assignment if necessary. If one or more events within the competition are large enough to need to be split into multiple groups, sometimes the chief referee will do this, sometimes the chief referee will ask the LOC to do this, and sometimes the accountant gets asked to do it. In my experience as an LOC, chief referee for basic skills competitions and as an accountant, I've seen all 3. The chief referee then builds the schedule and assigns the judges and the chief accountant builds the databases in the appropriate scoring systems, based on the information received from the LOC and the chief referee.

    This is just a brief summary, and the specifics may vary somewhat for different clubs/competitions/areas of the USA. Also the flow of some of these items is different for Qualifying competitions.

    FWIW, there were approximately 350 non-qualifying competitions held in the US last year (non-qualifying competitions sanctioned through the competitions committee; I do not believe that this number includes Basic Skills competitions, which go through a different approval process.

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    Thanks for that information. That is interesting because here the referee has no involvement until the day of the event. Everything is done by the LOC and the Competition Convenor works out the divisions which are usually done by age, not jumping ability (axel/no axel).

    We use IJS for all divisions from Preliminary upwards (done their first Ice Skating Australia test). And all adult divisions use it too.

    Recently I trialled using IJS for the Aussie Skate (Learn to Skate program) levels here, just using components. The system is quite flexible so we had components for Skating Skills, Elements and Presentation and used from 0.25 (Poor) to 5.00 (Excellent). The Skating Skills ended up being the tie breaker in case of a draw because we consider at that level that is probably the most important thing about developing skaters. It was only a small event so we just did the data entry manually instead of setting up the full system. Deductions included 0.5 for a fall and 0.5 for an element from a higher level (illegal element). I was doing TC/TS and data entry for the other events (jack of all trades) so I kept an eye out for the falls and elements for those levels. It was quite an interesting exercise from my POV.

    If you are interested here is a copy of one of the protocols from the Aussie Skate event. At the end of the day it pretty much came out as it would have if were judging 6.0.

    http://results.iceskatingvictoria.or..._FS_Scores.pdf

    My next project is to set up the category for Aussie Skate into the ISUCalc program.

    If anyone is interested in this please send me your email address via PM.
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    Oh, that's quite interesting, Aussie Willy. I know for Artistic comps they use the PCS side of IJS, but I hadn't heard of trying to use it for the Aussie Skate levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Oh, that's quite interesting, Aussie Willy. I know for Artistic comps they use the PCS side of IJS, but I hadn't heard of trying to use it for the Aussie Skate levels.
    It is basically just a judging system. They have talked about at ISA level for a couple of years, although when everyone talks about using IJS they focus on it must be about entering the elements. You can get a result on the components, like you do with artistic. What I used I actually came up with a few years ago but no-one was interested. My "campaign" is to basically filter what I did to people and they will spread the information by word of mouth.
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