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    The current corrupt ISU that is making new rules to try and push Mao out of the sport will soon be bankrupt and replaced by a wonderful new fair governing body so no worries about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanoverrated View Post
    The current corrupt ISU that is making new rules to try and push Mao out of the sport will soon be bankrupt and replaced by a wonderful new fair governing body so no worries about that.
    I keep on reading that there are new rules, but what are they exactly? I haven't found any new rules that have been implemented yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanoverrated View Post
    The current corrupt ISU that is making new rules to try and push Mao out of the sport will soon be bankrupt and replaced by a wonderful new fair governing body so no worries about that.
    I am afraid that won't happen in another 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smarts1 View Post
    I keep on reading that there are new rules, but what are they exactly? I haven't found any new rules that have been implemented yet...
    It can't have much to do with a reduced schedule, that's for sure! Kim has been missing in action from what little I've watched of figure skating the last 3 years!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smarts1 View Post
    I keep on reading that there are new rules, but what are they exactly? I haven't found any new rules that have been implemented yet...
    Here it is: http://static.isu.org/media/143595/1...oe_2014-15.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    Yeah that's why I said they dislike Mao and the Russians equally. But at this rate it's unlikely that Mao will come back. The new edges rules will only harm her. She can stay for another season, but some Russian girls are going for 3A and 4T already. Unless she trained for 4T, or else it would be difficult to stay on the podium with all the young ladies with 4T.
    All the young Russian with 4t and 3A, which Russian??? Talk is one thing, but I have not seen a single 3A or quad from any female other then Asada for ages, not even a practice clip let alone seen other female skaters land one in competition. To expect the Russian skaters to suddenly have a 3A and quad is quite optimistic.

    The edge rule is not gonna make that much of a difference it's just 1 or 2 points that's maybe lost, hardly a significant change of situation. Mao has dominated during times where the rules were much more disadvantageous to her then now, and she overcame that, this should be a piece of cake in comparison.
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    I think the OP's posts in this thread to be seriously ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amy03 View Post
    All the young Russian with 4t and 3A, which Russian??? Talk is one thing, but I have not seen a single 3A or quad from any female other then Asada for ages, not even a practice clip let alone seen other female skaters land one in competition. To expect the Russian skaters to suddenly have a 3A and quad is quite optimistic.
    Elizaveta Tuktamysheva did a perfect 3A since she was 12. You can find the video on youtube.
    She lost it now due to puberty but she might gain it back, her coach is Mishin so you know. She said she will go for the 4T if possible. And she is the only young ladies with perfect clear edges until now. She is good at all 6 jumps. But i am not very optimistic about her future, since she had to suffer from injuries for quite long.

    Adelina said she woukd go for the 4T. Her jumps are huge, not as good as Liza but she has the potential to do it. And if Adelina goes for it, then no way Radionova will not go for it.

    Yulia are also reported to land 4T in practice. I am not sure about the quality if her jumps, though.

    It's a race out there between the Russian ladies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    Elizaveta Tuktamysheva did a perfect 3A since she was 12. You can find the video on youtube.
    She lost it now due to puberty but she might gain it back, her coach is Mishin so you know. She said she will go for the 4T if possible. And she is the only young ladies with perfect clear edges until now. She is good at all 6 jumps. But i am not very optimistic about her future, since she had to suffer from injuries for quite long.

    Adelina said she woukd go for the 4T. Her jumps are huge, not as good as Liza but she has the potential to do it. And if Adelina goes for it, then no way Radionova will not go for it.

    Yulia are also reported to land 4T in practice. I am not sure about the quality if her jumps, though.

    It's a race out there between the Russian ladies.
    I will believe it when I see it. Good luck to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanoverrated View Post
    The great Mao Asada will end these non stop Kwan and Kim uber (the two craziest groups of humans on the planet to begin with) fan wars to who is the best ever. It will soon be neither, but Mao Asada. Mao is going to win another couple world titles and the 2018 OGM, ending any debate who is the best ever. Her Olympic LP and the judges lowballing of her excellent Worlds LP and attempt to gift Julia the title has lit a further fire in her. She will be in the judges face and wont go away until they give her the scores she deserves, and since that will take a long time she will win many more titles, and be around for the 2018 OGM. She is also probably pissed about this non stop hype of the Russian babies, most who are farces and overscored (Julia, Adelina) and she will want to stick it to them and show them who who is the real queen of the sport.
    I am a huge Mao fan but I find your post laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I am a huge Mao fan but I find your post laughable.
    But Vash, her post wasn't uberish. She's talking about Mao (who I love) so it's fact, right? It would be different if she was talking about Kim or Kwan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    on the new edge call rules coming now... Negative GOE on top of decreased jump value!?!

    Guess Mao should have kept her 2 3 axels and left out the lutz...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiero425 View Post
    It can't have much to do with a reduced schedule, that's for sure! Kim has been missing in action from what little I've watched of figure skating the last 3 years!
    Lol... I've been traveling the last couple weeks so I haven't had much access to the internet as of late (which is why I feel so out of loop right now with all of these retirements, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by taf2002 View Post
    But Vash, her post wasn't uberish. She's talking about Mao (who I love) so it's fact, right? It would be different if she was talking about Kim or Kwan.
    Mao fans would never vote for her as most underscored skater ever like crazy Kim and Kwan fans have both done on this forum. In fact there is a poll up right now that Yu Na Kim is winning for most underscored skater ever, ahead of someone like Drobiazko & Vanagas. If that isnt enough to show her fans are bat ass crazy, I dont know what is. Kim was robbed in Sochi, but one event doesnt make you the most robbed skater ever, or close to it.

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    No, but certain Mao fans love to demonize other fandoms without provocation. Also, I'm sure if you go to a forum that has a lot of Mao fans posting, and posed an underrated poll, you'll see her with a substantial amount of votes. FSU polls are a very small sample size. Regarding the vitriol fired at Kwan fans, I think there's some residual anger from the Kwan era at play here. BTW, I greatly prefer Mao over Yuna personally.
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    Mao could win the next 4 Worlds and the next Olympics and she would still never be in the league of Yu Na, or even probably Michelle Kwan for that matter. It was long ago determined she is not even the best skater of her own era since when she and her main rival are both around she almost never wins. She wins her titles when Yu Na is either not there or messes up badly. Unlike Yu Na and even Michelle who dominated their eras, Mao vultures the remains when the real big star(s) is not around to beat her. She cant even beat Miki Ando or Carolina Kostner when they are healthy and in top form. She will never the best ever, even if she won the next 10 World and Olympic events she would never be considered this.

    One thing that sets her so far below Yu Na or Michelle is consistency. Michelle finished top 3 at every event for about 9 years. Yu Na has never not medalled in any skating competition her whole career. Mao is like a yo yo, gold, 6th, 7th, bronze, silver, 6th, 8th, gold. Even when she wins it is practically always with mistakes and she is just lucky her biggest competition made even more mistakes in those cases (or sometimes werent even there). None of her 3 world titles were won with a flawless performance, unlike Yu Na and Michelle who won practically all their big titles and even lost some with flawless outings. You can talk about Mao's beautiful artistry, her great spins and spirals, her huge jumps, but it doesnt matter when she always messes up which she does even in victory.

    Mao blew 3 chances of the Olympic gold. She could be Sonja Henie today rather than the one who couldnt get the OGM even once despite so many chances. 2006 she couldnt skate but she would have choked and made mistakes to lose the gold if she had. 2010 she messed up to lose the gold and again in 2014. Kwan only blew 1 chance of olympic gold- 2002, and Kim never did. Both lost one additional OGM despite skating great OGM worthy performances through others performances (and in 2010 the super bad judging as well), but between them they blew the OGM only once, vs the 3 times Mao already has.
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    "...Mao blew 3 chances at Olympic Gold. Turin '06 she couldn't skate, but would have choked and made mistakes to lose the Gold if she had. Vancouver '10 she messed up to lose the Gold and again in Sochi '14."

    Such clairvoyance! - Whatever chica!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimGOAT View Post
    Mao could win the next 4 Worlds and the next Olympics and she would still never be in the league of Yu Na, or even probably Michelle Kwan for that matter. It was long ago determined she is not even the best skater of her own era since when she and her main rival are both around she almost never wins. She wins her titles when Yu Na is either not there or messes up badly. Unlike Yu Na and even Michelle who dominated their eras, Mao vultures the remains when the real big star(s) is not around to beat her. She cant even beat Miki Ando or Carolina Kostner when they are healthy and in top form. She will never the best ever, even if she won the next 10 World and Olympic events she would never be considered this.

    One thing that sets her so far below Yu Na or Michelle is consistency. Michelle finished top 3 at every event for about 9 years. Yu Na has never not medalled in any skating competition her whole career. Mao is like a yo yo, gold, 6th, 7th, bronze, silver, 6th, 8th, gold. Even when she wins it is practically always with mistakes and she is just lucky her biggest competition made even more mistakes in those cases (or sometimes werent even there). None of her 3 world titles were won with a flawless performance, unlike Yu Na and Michelle who won practically all their big titles and even lost some with flawless outings. You can talk about Mao's beautiful artistry, her great spins and spirals, her huge jumps, but it doesnt matter when she always messes up which she does even in victory.

    Mao blew 3 chances of the Olympic gold. She could be Sonja Henie today rather than the one who couldnt get the OGM even once despite so many chances. 2006 she couldnt skate but she would have choked and made mistakes to lose the gold if she had. 2010 she messed up to lose the gold and again in 2014. Kwan only blew 1 chance of olympic gold- 2002, and Kim never did. Both lost one additional OGM despite skating great OGM worthy performances through others performances (and in 2010 the super bad judging as well), but between them they blew the OGM only once, vs the 3 times Mao already has.
    You definitely are a Mao hater, such pity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nguyhm View Post
    You definitely are a Mao hater, such pity!
    Yep! That was over the top going into total hyperbole; "well if Mao was a premie and actually skated in Turin, she would have lost anyway!" Whoa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimGOAT View Post
    blah blah blah

    I didn't like Mao by any chance and I'm a Yuna's fan, but your words just make even fan like me feel so embarrassing

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