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    Mao will establish herself best skater ever in next 4 years!

    The great Mao Asada will end these non stop Kwan and Kim uber (the two craziest groups of humans on the planet to begin with) fan wars to who is the best ever. It will soon be neither, but Mao Asada. Mao is going to win another couple world titles and the 2018 OGM, ending any debate who is the best ever. Her Olympic LP and the judges lowballing of her excellent Worlds LP and attempt to gift Julia the title has lit a further fire in her. She will be in the judges face and wont go away until they give her the scores she deserves, and since that will take a long time she will win many more titles, and be around for the 2018 OGM. She is also probably pissed about this non stop hype of the Russian babies, most who are farces and overscored (Julia, Adelina) and she will want to stick it to them and show them who who is the real queen of the sport.

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    Unfortunately for Mao, I believe she allowed her final opportunity of Olympic gold to slip through her fingers in Sochi. Given her scoring the last season even for faulty performances, the judges proved that they were willing to reward her in Russia if she delivered, but it was not meant to be. Her greater maturity and more elegant choreography and programs in addition to her great technical difficulty last season would have prevailed her over the younger Russian wonderladies in Sochi had she hit. An injured Kostner was flailing all season prior to the Games and had fallen out of favor on the judges' scorecards and all season (and almost all quad) absent Kim exhibited listless, emotionless skating due to the fact that she didn't even want to be competing in Sochi. Asada self-destructed in both her SP skates at the Games and as a result took herself out of the medal picture. I'm convinced that the judges had no idea what to do with Carolina at Sochi. They clearly were not expecting her to arrive in the amazing shape and competitiveness that she was in and the initial plan was to not award her a medal because they were expecting her to meltdown again at an Olympics. They did not expect Mao to be the one to meltdown, but it happened in 2 SP performances. Alas, Asada will only grow older and her competition will only get better and tougher. It's all sad for her and her fans, but c'est la vie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Unfortunately for Mao, I believe she allowed her final opportunity of Olympic gold to slip through her fingers in Sochi. Given her scoring the last season even for faulty performances, the judges proved that they were willing to reward her in Russia if she delivered, but it was not meant to be. Her greater maturity and more elegant choreography and programs in addition to her great technical difficulty last season would have prevailed her over the younger Russian wonderladies in Sochi had she hit. Alas, Asada will only grow older and her competition will only get better and tougher. It's all sad for her and her fans, but c'est la vie.
    Sochi was never a chance. The judging was fixed for sotnikova or lipnitskaya to win, no matter what anyone else did. 2010 likewise was never a chance as Kim was too good there. 2006 would have been a huge chance but was taken away by the age rule. 2018 will be a way better chance, and probably by far her best (and really only one) yet, despite her age. Remember Irina Slutskaya's best chance at Olympic gold also came at 27 in 2006, as she only needed to stand up a 5 triple program to win it, and Irina isnt half the talent that Mao is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanoverrated View Post
    Sochi was never a chance. The judging was fixed for sotnikova or lipnitskaya to win, no matter what anyone else did.
    Your argument would maybe have a small chance of holding weight if Asada had managed to skate anywhere close to clean and still lost to the Russian ladies, but that is nowhere close to what happened in reality. Mao took herself out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Your argument would maybe have a small chance of holding weight if Asada had managed to skate anywhere close to clean and still lost to the Russian ladies, but that is nowhere close to what happened in reality. Mao took herself out of it.
    He/she doesnt need to see that happen to know the scoring in Sochi was fixed for the Russian ladies no matter what. The ridiculous scores Julia and Adelina received all Olympics long are already proof anyone to anyone with half a brain. Not to mention Mao did skate a great LP and was scored way behind Sotnikova, and her draw is no excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanoverrated View Post
    The great Mao Asada will end these non stop Kwan and Kim uber (the two craziest groups of humans on the planet to begin with) fan wars to who is the best ever. It will soon be neither, but Mao Asada. Mao is going to win another couple world titles and the 2018 OGM, ending any debate who is the best ever. Her Olympic LP and the judges lowballing of her excellent Worlds LP and attempt to gift Julia the title has lit a further fire in her. She will be in the judges face and wont go away until they give her the scores she deserves, and since that will take a long time she will win many more titles, and be around for the 2018 OGM. She is also probably pissed about this non stop hype of the Russian babies, most who are farces and overscored (Julia, Adelina) and she will want to stick it to them and show them who who is the real queen of the sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanoverrated View Post
    Sochi was never a chance. The judging was fixed for sotnikova or lipnitskaya to win, no matter what anyone else did. 2010 likewise was never a chance as Kim was too good there. 2006 would have been a huge chance but was taken away by the age rule. 2018 will be a way better chance, and probably by far her best (and really only one) yet, despite her age. Remember Irina Slutskaya's best chance at Olympic gold also came at 27 in 2006, as she only needed to stand up a 5 triple program to win it, and Irina isnt half the talent that Mao is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladola View Post
    You had me for a while,

    And then you lost me there
    Irina had no line, grace, extension, beauty, and even questionable techique. I dont know why you would be surprised most people would consider Mao far more talented than Irina. Mao didnt even come close to maxing out her potential (if her career is nearly over which is more likely than OP proposition), and still won 3 world titles and would have won the 06 Olympic gold to go with her Oly silver without the age rule, which speaks volumes to her amazing talent.

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    But the new rule is a big disadvantage towards Mao. If Mao comes back in 2018, I wonder if Koreans would rather let Mao or the Russian girls get the gold. They hate both equally I suppose. But Yuna would be unlikely to come back that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    But the new rule is a big disadvantage towards Mao. If Mao comes back in 2018, I wonder if Koreans would rather let Mao or the Russian girls get the gold. They hate both equally I suppose. But Yuna would be unlikely to come back that year.
    I dont think the Koreans hate Mao. They probably hate Adelina but no way she even makes the next Games anyway, so I think even Russia will be fine with the entrants they have. Whoever skates best (as long as Adelina isnt somehow there and doesnt somehow skate best which is unlikely when she couldnt even do that at her peak in 2014) will win. I hope it is Mao who I love so much. One of my all time favorites.

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    Japanese and Korean poople don't like each other. That's the fact, which is rooted deeply in the history of those two countries. I don't know however, if it has an impact on the hate towards the athletes. It might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanoverrated View Post
    The great Mao Asada will end these non stop Kwan and Kim uber (the two craziest groups of humans on the planet to begin with) fan wars to who is the best ever.
    What do you have to say about crazy Mao ubers? Your post is crazier than the average Kwan or Kim post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    But the new rule is a big disadvantage towards Mao. If Mao comes back in 2018, I wonder if Koreans would rather let Mao or the Russian girls get the gold. They hate both equally I suppose. But Yuna would be unlikely to come back that year.
    You talk like the 2018 panel of judges will be made up of Koreans. I don't think that will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taf2002 View Post
    What do you have to say about crazy Mao ubers? Your post is crazier than the average Kwan or Kim post.
    Mao fans dont start polls everyday "who is better Kim or Kwan" "Kim is best ever" "Kwan is best ever" like Kwan and Kim ubers do. Yu Na Kim is winning most underscored skate ever poll right now, which says it all about crazy Kim ubers. Kwan ubers, well you are one yourself so you will be blind to them but non Kwan ubers will know what I mean. Mao fans are humble and reasonable, just like Mao herself.

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    Ummm. Don't we need a reality check? Mao is 50-50 on retirement and Yu Na has retired. Regarding Mao, I would suppose she is at least taking next season off: I had read she is committing to school and doing a lot of shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grassroots39 View Post
    Irina had no line, grace, extension, beauty, and even questionable techique. I dont know why you would be surprised most people would consider Mao far more talented than Irina. Mao didnt even come close to maxing out her potential (if her career is nearly over which is more likely than OP proposition), and still won 3 world titles and would have won the 06 Olympic gold to go with her Oly silver without the age rule, which speaks volumes to her amazing talent.
    The original statement was "Irina isn't half the talent that Mao is"

    To me that's a lame statement

    I don't care who won what and who had better Line and beauty or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coraczek View Post
    Japanese and Korean poople don't like each other. That's the fact, which is rooted deeply in the history of those two countries. I don't know however, if it has an impact on the hate towards the athletes. It might.
    I am afraid that's the case. And what a pity, because Mao and Yuna themselves don't seem to bear any grudge against each other.
    Personally I don't think Mao will come back. The new rules will only harm her. And she had 3 world titles already, she said she was very content If I remember correctly. Russian girls will likely to dominate the next quad, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanoverrated View Post
    Mao fans dont start polls everyday "who is better Kim or Kwan" "Kim is best ever" "Kwan is best ever" like Kwan and Kim ubers do. Yu Na Kim is winning most underscored skate ever poll right now, which says it all about crazy Kim ubers. Kwan ubers, well you are one yourself so you will be blind to them but non Kwan ubers will know what I mean. Mao fans are humble and reasonable, just like Mao herself.
    But you ARE the ones starting these polls, Blanche..you are!

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    Not sure where everyone here is getting their info but Korean ubers would much rather Mao win an OGM in Pyeongchang. The ultra-nationalists stopped dictating public opinion re-figure skating quite a while ago.

    As much as I would love for her to stay, Mao's health would be a very likely impediment. If she were to cut her technical repertoire in the slightest, I'm sure judges would have no problem in shafting her for one of the younger skaters (although it would be entertaining to see jmedia backpedaling on all their adoration for Russian skaters).

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    Quote Originally Posted by begin34 View Post
    Not sure where everyone here is getting their info but Korean ubers would much rather Mao win an OGM in Pyeongchang. The ultra-nationalists stopped dictating public opinion re-figure skating quite a while ago.
    Pretty sure they'd want Park to win over both Asada and the Russians.

    Anyways, If Asada goes for another Olympics and is in good shape, I don't mind bribing some judges at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladola View Post
    Pretty sure they'd want Park to win over both Asada and the Russians.
    Anyways, If Asada goes for another Olympics and is in good shape, I don't mind bribing some judges at this point
    Yeah that's why I said they dislike Mao and the Russians equally. But at this rate it's unlikely that Mao will come back. The new edges rules will only harm her. She can stay for another season, but some Russian girls are going for 3A and 4T already. Unless she trained for 4T, or else it would be difficult to stay on the podium with all the young ladies with 4T.

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