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    Quote Originally Posted by deetrakt View Post
    I can't get excited about the prospect of Jeremy Abbott continuing as an amateur. He's had ample opportunity to prove himself internationally, and, except for some isolated successes on the Grand Prix circuit, has failed to do so. At 29, what are the odds of his breaking through now? I am also among those who find his excuse-making and whining quite annoying.
    If he does return, I hope USFS and the USOC will increase their support of promising male skaters like Aaron, Brown, Dornbush and Farris, rather than funding Abbott. If he wants to continue his amateur career, he should do so at this own expense, or with private support.
    It reminds me of what people said about Paul Wylie before the 1992 Olympics, and Paul had been a lot more inconsistent than Jeremy. People said at that time- send Mark Mitchell; he is our future. One competition changed his whole life. If Jeremy feels up to it, let him compete. If the younger guys beat him, fine.

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    There is criteria for USFS funding. Jeremy top 5 at worlds and Natl champ should get him a higher level of funding.

    I bet there is under the table funding for male skaters that act super macho and claim to date women

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    It reminds me of what people said about Paul Wylie before the 1992 Olympics, and Paul had been a lot more inconsistent than Jeremy. People said at that time- send Mark Mitchell; he is our future. One competition changed his whole life. If Jeremy feels up to it, let him compete. If the younger guys beat him, fine.
    I agree but that comment makes it sound like skating is a real sport.

    Shouldn't sponsors along with fan boards decide who makes Natl teams?

    If that darn Jeremy wins Natls again next season maybe FSU housefraus should vote him off - just like DWTS.

    Who needs sport especially in skating when it can be so darn unpredictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centerpt1 View Post
    There is criteria for USFS funding. Jeremy top 5 at worlds and Natl champ should get him a higher level of funding.

    I bet there is under the table funding for male skaters that act super macho and claim to date women
    Under the table from whom? USFS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLucky View Post
    Apparently you can't get over me not getting over it either.
    Sorry, I am not like the many of you who have the "housewife" mentality when it comes to sports. boo,boo

    I like competition - why don't you?
    For the record, you have the right to your opinion about the 2014 Olympic/World Team selection situation. We don't agree, but that's fine. Why I commented is that you seem determined to drag it into every thread. I don't see what this has to do with Jeremy Abbott rethinking his future. It just seems to be your way of continuing to snark about your feelings on the 2014 team selection even when it's not related to the topic. That's all, and that's it for me on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deetrakt View Post
    If he does return, I hope USFS and the USOC will increase their support of promising male skaters like Aaron, Brown, Dornbush and Farris, rather than funding Abbott.
    Abbott has qualified, based on the published 2014-15 team envelope criteria, for the highest level of USFS funding, which is tied into USOC funding -- see: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...2014-15-season

    If he wants to continue his amateur career, he should do so at this own expense, or with private support.
    He's already aware he'll need to do that IF he decides to return. He stated in the IN article that his USFS/USOC funding this past season "doesn't cover even half of my expenses." AFAIK, he's been covering the rest of his own expenses in recent years from the money he's earned in shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    He's already aware he'll need to do that IF he decides to return. He stated in the IN article that his USFS/USOC funding this past season "doesn't cover even half of my expenses." AFAIK, he's been covering the rest of his own expenses in recent years from the money he's earned in shows.
    I think the big question for him is figuring out if the expense, effort, and time to continue competing will be worth it in the long run for him. And that's a difficult equation with his past performances and results.
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    If he does return, I hope USFS and the USOC will increase their support of promising male skaters like Aaron, Brown, Dornbush and Farris, rather than funding Abbott.
    I don't know how the USOC funds, but USFS funds skaters based on results, not potential. Abbott earned the results required to get funding from them.

    Whether or not this is a good model, who knows- but funding unproven skaters when money is limited can be very difficult. How do you decide who gets money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by centerpt1 View Post
    I bet there is under the table funding for male skaters that act super macho and claim to date women
    What are you implying? I haven't noticed that Jeremy tries to act any more macho than any other male skater. It was usually Elvis Stojko that most tried to have the tough, manly image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    I don't know how the USOC funds, but USFS funds skaters based on results, not potential.
    More envelope criteria are based on potential than results, or the USFS envelopes, which go down to 4-6 at the Jr. Nationals level and 1-3 at the Novice National levels, would look like the Canadian National Team, which includes only the Top Five at senior Canadian Nationals. USFS funding is a combination of highest-level results and potential.

    The judges have been willing to give Abbott bumps in PCS based on a good performance at Worlds, but it took until two seasons after his highest/5th place at the 2010 Worlds for his average PCS go to up more than between 2.17 and 4.65%, and the latter was for his 2011 4C's FS. (He won silver there.) In the 2011 GP season, starting with RC, through 2012-13, his average PCS score increased by a double-digits (or close) percentage over his benchmark PCS at 2010 Worlds. He was dumped* in the 2013-14 season and was given relatively low PCS when he struggled in the SP, and high PCS when he did well in the FS, but, IMO, not nearly enough given the quality and number of bullet points he ticked off.

    *dumped in that his PCS weren't stable regardless of TES, which they were, for example, at 2011 RC, where his SP TES were 10+ points higher than his SP GPF TES, and his PCS were nearly identical.


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    Segment Rank Total TES PCS Avg PCS % over 2010 WC
    2010 WC SP 6 81.05 44.2 36.85 7.37
    2010 WC FS 6 151.05 77.15 75.9 7.59
    2010 NHK SP 2 74.62 36.27 38.35 7.67 2.54%
    2010 NHK FS 3 143.57 67.15 76.42 7.64 2.17%
    2010 CoR SP 2 77.61 39.07 38.54 7.71 3.05%
    2010 CoR FS 4 139.6 64.26 77.34 7.73 3.40%
    2011 4CC SP 2 76.73 37.87 38.86 7.77 3.90%
    2011 4CC FS 4 148.98 71.7 78.28 7.83 4.65%
    2011 CoC SP 3 79.32 40.39 38.93 7.79 4.09%
    2011 CoC FS 3 149.17 69.67 80.5 8.05 7.62%
    2011 RC SP 1 83.54 42.04 41.5 8.30 10.96%
    2011 RC FS 5 145.54 64.1 83.44 8.34 11.55%
    2011 GPF SP 2 82.66 40.33 42.33 8.47 13.18%
    2011 GPF FS 5 156.16 74.8 83.36 8.34 11.44%
    2012 WC SP 9 74.85 34.64 41.21 8.24 10.19%
    2012 WC FS 8 151.34 69.78 81.56 8.16 9.04%
    2012 SA SP 3 77.71 37.81 40.9 8.18 9.36%
    2012 SA FS 8 133.64 55.5 81.14 8.11 8.48%
    2012 TEB SP 1 81.18 40.35 40.83 8.17 9.17%
    2012 TEB FS 3 146.45 63.75 82.7 8.27 10.56%
    2013 SC SP 4 74.58 35.3 39.28 7.86 5.03%
    2013 SC FS 6 141.37 65.59 77.78 7.78 3.98%
    2013 NHK SP 7 78.78 38.82 39.96 7.99 6.84%
    2013 NHK FS 3 158.63 78.25 80.38 8.04 7.46%
    2014 OWG TE SP 7 65.65 27.22 39.43 7.89 5.43%
    2014 OWG SP 15 72.58 37.21 37.37 7.47 -0.08%
    2014 OWG FS 8 160.12 78.1 82.02 8.20 9.65%
    2014 WC SP 8 79.67 40.85 39.82 8.04 7.49%
    2014 WC FS 4 166.68 80.52 86.16 8.54 14.17%
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLucky View Post
    Yes, it basically shows that the fans of US Skaters that can't compete with Jeremy are panicking.
    I like Jason but it was close to humiliating sending a skater to the Olympics who not only has no quad but can't even land a 3A.
    This is a valid point. While I have been unhappy with Jeremy's history of bombing at international events and acting like a 'headcase' (a phrase I think he used about himself recently), he is still comparable in ability to the other American guys right now. It's not as if Max Aaron, Jason Brown, Dornbush, Rippon, etc. are World or Olympic medalists. None of them have gotten higher in the World standings than Jeremy has, and most of them have yet to get close to the World podium. Until they do, the fans of these other skaters can hardly claim that these guys are better than Jeremy. They're all basically in the same boat right now.

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    I can't speak for anyone else, but I hope I got across the point that while personally unenthused about JA continuing as an amateur, I of course realize it's his decision to make.

    I will say that I was very discouraged by how he handled the pressure he experienced leading up to the Olympics. As far as I can tell, he actually increased it by in essence promising himself and his fans to do better! At every opportunity, he discussed his detailed plan for this campaign and why he was sure it would make all the difference at the Olympics. He saw his victory at Nationals as "evidence" of how right he was. And then he went off to Sochi and imploded.

    He admittedly had a better performance at Worlds--although there were both less pressure and fewer top competitors. And now he's changing his previously announced and repeated retirement plan--supposedly because of what an encouraging season this has been. His "reasoning" and discussion of his Olympic performances in his IceNetwork interview seem especially unconvincing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Observer View Post
    What are you implying? I haven't noticed that Jeremy tries to act any more macho than any other male skater. It was usually Elvis Stojko that most tried to have the tough, manly image.
    Actually, I was thinking Evan ...and perhaps Max ( and as was pointed out to me- Michael Weiss)

    Those are the ones likely to get $$$$$$.

    And Jason has wealthy connections, so he's probably set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centerpt1 View Post
    Actually, I was thinking Evan ...and perhaps Max
    I rather think results might have had a bit to do with it - Max particularly became Nat Champion at precisely the right moment, sponsor-wise, and with the big jumps to boot. Add to that a clean-cut face, good work ethic, cool back story, and being a "good guy", Max was pretty safe bet for sponsors.

    Quote Originally Posted by centerpt1 View Post
    And Jason has wealthy connections, so he's probably set.
    The fact that Jason is utterly adorable, always positive, gracious and enthusiastic probably has more do with it than any "connections" his family might have.

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    Jeremy did lash out at the press and the unappreciative fans in Sochi and throw around some colorful language, so I suppose he did try to kind of act tough on that occasion!

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    However, not even Hanyu received the same % of GOE over base in his Olympic world-record-breaking SP that Abbott received for his at USN, giving him an insurmountable lead going into the FS. His highest SP score internationally before 2014 USN was 83.44 (2011 RC) vs. 99.86. at USN. Nor has Abbott received close to avg. PCS of 9.19 in international competition, when he received just .68 in total PCS less at USN than Hanyu's SP at the Olympics. Brown's SP score of 87.47 was right in line with 84.77 at 2013 TEB and 83.78 at 2013 SA; his FS score, especially in PCS, was way out of line with international results, but so was Abbott's, with avg. PCS of 9.34 and a total significantly higher than his international scores from 2010 Worlds through the 2013 GP season.

    Despite a shaky, substandard performance in Sochi, Brown still beat Abbott, who had a beautifully skated FS, by three places, making Top 10. That's their only head-to-head international competition that I know of, and Brown had higher PCS in both programs, presumably reflecting the FS start order after Abbott's mini-disaster in the SP.
    Last edited by kwanfan1818; 04-10-2014 at 08:36 PM.
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    Abbott skated that Olympic FS injured and cut the tech substantially. (The practice after the SP he couldn't even do doubles-so until the warm up before free I don't think anyone knew what he would be able to manage-he did very well, considering the pain he was in)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Observer View Post
    Jeremy did lash out at the press and the unappreciative fans in Sochi and throw around some colorful language, so I suppose he did try to kind of act tough on that occasion!
    He lashed out at a reporter, not fans. Read the entire original article in context.

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    I think another reason Jeremy is considering staying is due to the changes that will be eligible for the first time next season with singles skaters being allowed to use vocals in their music. Abbott is a very creative guy and I'm sure he has some vocal music/program ideas he has dreamed of performing to in competition. For a very nervy skater like Jeremy, it would probably serve him better to compete in a scenario too where the "do or die" of the short program is eliminated from competition. Almost all of Jeremy's problem skates this season stemmed from the pressure of the short program. There's no question that Abbott is still very competitive with the rest of the US men. Given some of the more negative reactions to this news, one would think he is still sticking around and not even able to do a 3toe or 2Axel. Reality is he is the primary reason the USFSA can even send 3 men to Worlds next season and yet a lot of people still want to give the guy a hard time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shine View Post
    I don't understand this outrage. When was the last time that Jeremy Abbott received a "gift" from the judges, domestic or international? It's not like he's ever been the "chosen one" in any ones' book.
    Among the 5 worlds he's been to, I mostly agree with his scores, except 2012 worlds where he was a bit lucky to be top ten given
    the two big mistakes in the short and the flawed free skate. (Eta: One can argue that he should be behind Kozuka after the short)

    Other than that, most of the other times he was marked about right.
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