I also think T&D were very foolish to change their free dance (for the worse) after they actually won Europeans. U&Z's free dance should have been scrapped altogether, so I don't think any changes would have been of use. I absolutely LOVED G&P's free dance - the incredible speed and audacity with which they performed it. I know people say it was a poor dance, but I have yet to see another performance by an "underdog" which would leave such an impression on me. They attacked the two legendary champion teams with all the impertinence and ignorance of youth and won!
As much as I love Grishuk & Platov, their rock'n'roll FD that year was choreographically one of the weakest free dances they ever did. It had moments of brilliance though and it was brilliantly youthful, exuberant, and jazzy. On the other hand, Usova & Zhulin had perhaps what was the most difficult free dance of their careers although it really sucked stylistically. I think perhaps Torvill & Dean reinstating was a mistake. They were already legends and so they didn't need another gold medal to solidify their status. But hey, if they hadn't returned, we wouldn't have seen that masterpiece of a rhumba.
Last edited by gk_891; 04-11-2014 at 02:17 PM.
They changed about 80% of the programme. Probably too much. But I can understand the rationale behind this. That's true they won Europeans, but it was the result of some strange rules. And they lost FD, so I'm not surprised they lost confidence and panicked. Probably if they hadn't changed the programme, they would have still lost. Maybe they would have been 2nd at best. We will never know. Changes of the programme made it more spectacular. And although the judges didn't like it, the spectators loved it (much more than during the Europeans).I also think T&D were very foolish to change their free dance (for the worse) after they actually won Europeans.
I don't think it was mistake and I bet they don't regret it. They gained lots of new fans and it was a great promotion for their world tour that followed.I think perhaps Torvill & Dean reinstating was a mistake. They were already legends and so they didn't need another gold medal to solidify their status.
This!!! In my opinion it is the best OD/SD ever. So I'm really happy that they returned.But hey, if they hadn't returned, we wouldn't have seen that masterpiece of a rhumba.
After the 91-92 season, Dubova's work started to become shoddier and shoddier. She's always been great at teaching good strong basics but her students' programs started to seriously suck after the fall of the Soviet Union. Her work with Navka & Gezalian was pretty good until they left her though. I vaguely recall at the 92 Worlds on the CBC commentary where Paul Martini mentioned how Dubova's choreographer (can't recall her name) had constructed amazing programs for Dubova's pupils. I wonder if Dubova stopped working with her at around that time. If that was the case, that might explain why her students' programs became rather second rate.
B&E have two oly bronzes for horrendous mistake filled routines. 92 was a splat fest and 94 S&N wuz robbed IMO, so Lloyd's big head seems to have come from within. His skating was certainly nothing to write home about,
Usova & Zhulin should have won the gold easily. Torvill & Dean and Gritschuk & Platov are 2 of the best 5 teams ever along with Davis & White, Virtue & Moir, and Klimova & Ponomarenko, but Usova & Zhulin are too great a team to not have an olympic gold and have only 1 world title so the judges should have given it to them just based on that. Plus they were reigning world champions, Russian #1, and it was their turn. To give it to younger Russian #2 breaks all rules of dance. Anyway Gritschuk & Platovs free dance sucked, and their Rhumba sucked even worse. They should have won bronze behind Usova & Zhulin and Torvill & Dean. Had Rahkammo & Kokko not fallen in the FD they would have deserved the bronze over G&P.
Interesting of the 4 honest judges- 2 of them had it Usova & Zhulin gold, Torvill & Dean silver, Gritschuk & Platov bronze, 1 had Torvill & Dean gold, Usova & Zhulin silver, Gritschuk & Platov bronze, and 1 had it Usova & Zhulin gold, Gritschuk & Platov silver, Torvill & Dean bronze. So of the 4 real judges 3 of 4 had U&Z 1st, 3 of 4 had G&P only 3rd, and 0 of the 4 had G&P above U&Z. That is proof that without the 5 bloc judges that the final result would have very likely been Usova & Zhulin gold, Torvill & Dean, Gritschuk & Platov, and that for sure G&P would have finished below U&Z. The 5 bloc judges scored the exact same like a bloc that is cheating always does- 1st Gritschuk & Platov 2nd Usova & Zhulin, 3rd Torvill & Dean, proof that they were judging in a prearranged bloc. The 4 real judges despite showing clearly what the overall result would have been, still had 3 slightly different orders, proving that they werent bloc judging like the other 5 whose marks and results should have been discounted.
The ladies should not have awarded a gold medal. There wasnt a single skater who was gold medal caliber. Chen of 95-96, and Sato 95-96 were gold medal caliber skaters, but not here. Kerrigan never was. Baiul was so wonderful but not enough technical content yet for gold medal. Witt was wonderful and a legend but far too below modern day technical standards for gold.
Just give 5 or 6 women a bronze and be done with it. Maybe give Yamaguchi the gold and Ito the silver despite that they didnt compete.
Your personal opinion. Probably based on your personal aesthetic taste.Anyway Gritschuk & Platovs free dance sucked,
Athletically, live in the arena, it was amazing.
How do you define "honest judges" -- those who agree with you? When you've already said that you think judges should have used dishonest criteria to choose the winner?Interesting of the 4 honest judges-
3. - 4. Baiul/Kerrigan (either order)
If you place Kerrigan 4th in the LP, then Yuka would end up with the gold, and Nancy would be off the podium. But if you place Kerrigan 3rd, then she would win the gold. Anyway, while I do think she deserved a medal, I don't think she deserved gold. Just because Nancy landed a triple toe-triple toe, that doesn't mean she automatically deserved to win. She had 5 pretty good jumps in a front-loaded program, and no flip. But what else??? Oh, yeah--a nice dress.
As for pairs, I enjoyed M&D much more than G&G, who were rather clinical IMO.
As for dance, I don't know who "should" have won, but it's a shame U&Z didn't have a better LP. I think they were probably the best dancers overall at that point, especially since T&D weren't quite as athletic as they had been previously.
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My honest program placings are Sato, Chen, Kerrigan in that order in the LP too while agreeing with the SP results pretty much exactly. However since that would give Kerrigan the gold which I dont think she deserved, even if the program placings I think that were right lead to her getting that, I instead place Chen 1st in the long over Sato, to get Chen the gold instead. I also place Sato above Witt in the short or Baiul below Bonaly in the short to make sure Sato still gets the bronze despite my having to dump her from 1st to 2nd in the LP, which I think she deserved overall with that LP even with her flubbed short program, given that Baiul had serious mistakes in both programs (even if her short was stunning otherwise and probably deserving of 2nd place).