That sounds good enough. Sasha is the pig and the rest should avoid him at all costs. He has only brought turmoil into everyones life.
If I was Maya I would never speak to him again either. Cheating on me while married is bad enough, but cheating on the one he is cheating on you with, shows he considered you and the marriage to be a total joke, just a hidden title on the side to keep secret.
Platov and Maya have always been friends and have definitely coached together (maybe still do?). Platov said about his relationship with Zhulin that it was amicable, but not friendly. In 2006, Platov was reunited with Grishuk on the Russian dancing on ice show and G&P skated together for exhibitions between 2006-08 . But he was once asked if he would ever consider coaching with Grishuk and he responded "No, one has to be good friends in order to coach together". In 2006, Grishuk was still publicly blaming Platov for their split and telling the Russian press how he didn't share his prize money (for Nagano) with her. Usova was still talking about how Grishuk broke up her marriage.
However, it may well be that they have all made up now
If so, then "putting in first who you thought should be first" could be considered ignoring the rules. That would be like a judge saying, "Who cares about required elements and/or mandatory deductions in the SP? I'm just going to rank the skaters the way I want to." Would that be considered good judging?
If a judge thought that, even after any required deductions, G&P still deserved first because they were so far ahead of everyone else, then fine. But if the judge thought that the couples were close, then I don't see how glossing over any possible deductions would be considered okay. Or were the deductions in question completely optional?
I guess that is the strongest case for U&Z deserving 1st with their slow, boring, and awful FD. They atleast broke no rules and since it appears the judges deducted for T&D's last back flip atleast .1, they should have also deducted for G&P's seperations, which would have dropped them to 3rd (despite that they were my favorite skate that night). That was probably what annoyed not only some U&Z supporters, but many T&D fans, as they felt T&D took the hit for breaking a rule but then saw G&P did not.
I forget -- and it's almost impossible to find this information online now that 6.0 rules are never used for free dances -- was the deduction for too-long separation (or for illegal elements, such as T&D's lift with man's hands above head) 0.1 from each mark or 0.2 from the technical mark?
Some of their scores do not reflect the appropriate deductions, especially 5.9 and 6.0 from the Russian judge.
G&P skated last. U&Zh and T&D had already received very high marks.
In most cases, if a skater/team with a deduction is really that much better than the next-best contender, in a given judge's honest opinion, that they deserve to place higher even with the deduction, they can just set the base mark high enough that the total is still enough for first place after the deduction.
Only if the scores for the other contenders are already at 5.8 and 5.9, there isn't room to reflect the deduction and reflect the judges' honest ranking of the skaters/teams. So one way or another they have to violate the rules -- either don't take the full deduction, or don't rank the teams in the order you believe they deserve to be ranked.
Of course we weren't inside the judges' heads, we don't know their thought processes, whether there were any dishonest considerations as well, or honest mistakes of not timing the separations (did the referee inform the judges?).
But if a judge honestly thought that G&P were that much better and didn't have room in the marks to show the deductions, what should they have done?
Humble and modest is the last words that should be ever associated with T&D. Greatness, innovation, one of the best dance teams ever and arguably the best, maker of many iconic programs, record holder of all the perfect 6.0 records, Olympic and World Champions yes. Humble, modest, no. I cant believe they would have ever potrayed themselves as such.
Reminds me of a piece by Jonathan Edwards that we read in English Lit way back in college. In it, he said something like, "I will not be content to be humble. I must be the humblest...." Our professor pointed out to us the inherent contradiction there right away.
Wow, were T&D that bad when it came to their ego? I know very little about them and have always admired their skating. But even if all of this is true, it doesn't detract from their abilities as skaters. Just like Oksana Grishuk's crazy days as Pasha shouldn't detract from her abilities as an ice dancer.
I agree with everything you say here. As their incredible uniqueness and perfect sixes were what I used to think of when they got mentioned (and were what I wanted to remember them for) I found it quite odd that they went and challenged all that in '94.
Well, this thread has been quite informative. I've learned that:
T&D claimed to be humble.
There's a chain of discount haircutters located north of the Tri-State area, known as Fantastic Sams, that's akin to the Lemon Tree and Supercuts.
Nancy Kerrigan actually complained to a man, who made his living dressing up as a cartoon mouse and appearing in children's parades, that she had to do something corny for one day (for which she was paid 2 million dollars ),and she seriously expected sympathy .
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To be fair, it was corny.
"Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility." - Ambrose Bierce
After being nearly crippled by a competitor that got away with it, this was just one of the perks. All she had to do was sit in a car and smile and then collect $2mil. But this is Nancy Kerrigan, so of course she found a way to somehow f it up. The backlash was so bad, people are still bringing it up 2 decades later.
None of it had absolutely anything at all to do with whining to underpaid staff or fishing for sympathy.