I cant figure it out. Maybe Zhulin has a bigger package. Maybe he is richer. Who knows.
I am just searching for answers. I am a women and wouldnt touch him with a ten foot pole unless he was incredibly rich so I am trying to guess what these women see.
Yes, it is somewhat different, because there was not a prescribed deduction for that.It is only one tiny piece of a 4.5 minute dance full of all kinds of other stuff. From the judges POV, it is not any different than deciding it doesn't make much difference that Grinkov singled the salchow and that you think the harder lifts more than made up for it.
True, but the judges still had rules to follow. So, in the SP, would it have been okay for the judges to gloss over required elements and/or mandatory deductions?It was one pair of marks for the entire skate, not spreadsheets like we have today.
Well, the referee was to blame as well. But if G&P had 3 separations that needed to be penalized, then based on their actual scores, it seems unlikely that the judges in general took all the deductions.Also, we don't really know if judges did give a lower score or not. The complaint was that, for a rules violation, the event referee was supposed to give a sign of some kind advising the judges of the need for a deduction (as was done for the two illegal D&T elements) and he didn't do that for G&P. That does not necessarily mean that the judges who saw it for themselves did not take it into consideration anyway.
If the points were entirely meaningless, then why were there any prescribed deductions at all? There were required deductions for mistakes in the SP and for falls in the LP as well.But all this still misses the major concept of 6.0 scoring, in which the absolute points are meaningless. The actual scores were only the means to an end.
Yes, but it needs to be reasoned out numerically, not just, "I think G&P are that much superior." Otherwise, it's slipshod judging.If the judge found that dance so superior to the others that it should win even with the separation, then he gives marks that will put them first.
Make that 6.2.If the referee had called for the automatic deduction, then the judge would have given 6.0 instead of 5.9 or bumped up the presentation mark if that was necessary to keep them ahead of the next skater.
http://youtu.be/9oozUaizleQ?t=28s makes it look like she was complaining to Mickey about the horror of the corniness that she had to endure.
I always found her comments about Oksana during the medal ceremony to be pretty hilarious , as well as her comment about lacking motivation during pro-competitions since everyone made the same money.
The Disney escapade always annoyed me; however, because she was being paid millions just to smile, wave and wear a medal. If she felt that strongly in spite of the price tag, she should have said no.
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To quickly get back to the Zhulin vs Platov debate... the one thing about Zhulin was that even though he didn't look very strong and Maya was nearly as tall as him, I don't think they ever had trouble with lifts. Maya said that she had never been injured before she paired up with Platov and he dropped her or let go of her during a spin, so she hit the boards and had to have shoulder surgery. Maybe Zhulin had more stamina
Driving 4 hours everyday to whore around between practices for the Olympics would have taken its toll on a lesser man, but not Zhulin
Notoriety? That would be Tonya. Notorious rarely has a favorable connotation. Anyway, Nancy did win Piruetten, and if she'd skated really well at '94 Nationals, that could have been a boost for her as well.She wouldnt have been treated like a favorite by the judges and peoples expectations of the judges without the clubbing and the notoriety it gave her.
Yes, it probably did negatively affect a lot of the skating, sad to say.Look at how well Bonaly skated to win Europeans and even at worlds but so much worse she skated at the Games where Nancy beat her. Same for Sato and Chen and their unusual SP errors. Baiul was probably even affected. Harding was the one affected worst of all as she was treated like a criminal skating at the Games.
“If you had a dinner and had 12 skaters sitting around the table, at the end of the night, you would say Tonya was the most interesting, the most fun to talk to,” he says. “She’s smart. Street smart. Funny. Unpolished, but funny. Truthful. And a spectacular athlete."
In fact, he still believes she's innocent.
Another thing to keep in mind is that even "regular" people are often nicer to complete strangers than to those they have to be around every day, who they may feel (rightly or wrongly) get on their nerves at times. The moral of the story: If you meet a public figure, don't read too much into a one-time pleasant encounter.
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