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    1994 Olympics in Lillehammer - Controversial Results across the Board!

    The 1994 Lillehammer Olympics are my favourite Winter Olympics of all time. There was just something perfect about them. However, the results in all figure skating events gave rise to great controversy. What do you all think of the results?

    Gordeeva & Grinkov v Mishkutenok & Dmitriev

    Alexei Urmanov v Elvis Stojko

    Grishuk & Platov v Usova & Zhulin (and Tovill & Dean)

    Oksana Baiul v Nancy Kerrigan

    At the time, I must say I was ecstatic about all the results and I still wouldn't change them, but having re-watched Gordeeva & Grinkov and Mishkutenok & Dmitriev's performances, I must say that G&G were greatly overmarked. I don't think it was possible to have a better technical performance than M&D showed in both their short and long programmes. They didn't make a single mistake, whereas G&G weren't entirely clean in either programme. Of course G&G skated beautifully and for sentimental reasons I am glad they won the Gold, but really M&D weren't treated fairly by the judges. It's also the sign of champions that after a bad season and disastrous training sessions where she couldn't land a jump and he struggled with lifts, M&D came out onto the Olympic ice and skated perfectly!

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    I'm fine with G&G's win. Although M&D had a more interesting program for me artistically, G&G are so far superior technically. They had much more difficult lifts, much bigger throws with more flow, a much better split triple twist, and far superior edging (with M&D, you can really hear them digging into the ice whereas G&G are much quieter).

    I'm also fine with Urmanov's win over Stojko. I really hated Stojko's program and I personally hate his skating in general so I'm clearly biased.

    With the ice dance, I would've been fine with any order of the top 3. I personally had G&P in first for both compulsories and T&D in first for the OD. For the FD, I'm rather indifferent as I didn't like any of the free dances from the top 3 couples.

    As for the ladies competition, Baiul's technical marks were inexcusably high in my opinion. I greatly disliked Kerrigan's bland skating but both her, Lu Chen, and Yuka Sato were all superior to Baiul in the LP.

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    Gordeeva & Grinkov v Mishkutenok & Dmitriev

    Alexei Urmanov v Elvis Stojko

    Grishuk & Platov v Usova & Zhulin (and Tovill & Dean)

    Oksana Baiul v Nancy Kerrigan

    G&G were sublime.

    The men were all boring, but not controversial. Great skaters screwed up. Dull skaters didn't.

    Dance was the only one I was upset about at the time. Even though they deserved every thing they won after this, G&P have always bored me to tears.

    At the time I was fine with the ladies result as Nancy was stiff and oksana oozed charisma from every pore. Looking back, it was a con job. Baiul wasn't anywhere near as good as we thought. Like the hot person you take home at 2:00am drunk who somehow gets uglier overnight.

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    I agree in the ice dance any order of the 3 medalists would have been fine. They all had their various strengths and weaknesses, and none had one of their stronger ever FDs. I disagree with G&P being 1st in the Waltz CD over Usova & Zhulin though, I felt U&Z were clearly the best in that and should have won it more comfortably than they did. That it was close I already sensed that early the favor of the fed was probably on G&P's side.

    I thought Stojko should have won over Urmanov. Urmanov was just too inferior technically with no triple-triple combo, a stumble out of his triple flip, awful spins, and not much or very good footwork. Stojko also had his best and most artistic ever program that year IMO, while Urmanov's was not exactly one of his better works, so I dont agree with judges giving Stojko 5.6s and 5.7s for presentation and Urmanov a row of 5.9s. That said I could still understand the result, and was not as upset about it as some Canadians were.

    I thought Miskutienok & Dmitriev should have won the pairs gold over Gordeeva & Grinkov. Gordeeva & Grinkov had 4 small mistakes- going out of unision on their spins, him stumbling out of a double flip and being off unision for the next few movements after, singling a salchow at the end of a sequence of jumps, and her pitching forward on her throw double axel landing. Very unusual and uncharacteristic mistakes from them. Nothing too major and still an excellent skate, but M&D skated too well and with too much passion and power to lose to G&G with those kind of mistakes that night. Like the mens though I could have accepted the result all the same. The biggest problem just like the mens, was that M&D (like Stojko) wasnt even close to winning. Only 1 judge had them ahead (just like only 1 had Stojko above Urmanov) which in both cases I found ridiculous. M&D even had 2 judges put them behind Brasseur & Eisler.

    I have defended Baiul and her ablities on this forum, but I agree that Kerrigan, Sato, and Chen were all better than her in the LP, and her technical marks were unquestionably wrong. Presentation scores are obviously more subjective, there would have been less to complain about if she had atleast won through presentation scores, her strength, but she in fact had equal or higher technical marks than Kerrigan and won 3 of her 5 judges strictly on the technical mark. Overall the judging of this event was probably the worst of all the disciplines.

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    Under the 6.0 system, I perhaps would've had M&D ahead of G&G because of the latter's unusual errors. But I believe Natalia 2-footed her double axel, Artur has a tendency to travel on the side by side spins (I can't recall if he did or not in that performance though), and Artur also had a trip in the straight line footwork sequence. But yes, that program was magnificent and exceptional.

    I recently watched U&Z's starlight waltz again and it wasn't as strong as I remembered it. It looked a little soft in terms of their form, especially hers and not soft in a good way. Grishuk & Platov's waltz wasn't as waltzy as it could've been as it's ill-suited to Oksana but I loved their amazing flow, posture, and free leg extension, more so than Usova & Zhulin's.

    And like I said, I really dislike Stojko's skating so I can't possibly be objective.

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    This was the first Olympics I remember watching (I was like 7). Looking back, I'm fine with the results except in ladies - I'm not a fan of Kerrigan but Bauil's LP was just not good.

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    You might want to check out Maofan7's video compilation thread and subsequent discussion: Retrospective: The 1994 Olympics
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    Thanks. Artur didn't travel on his side by side spin but that's probably because they did a very very simple side by side spin.

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    Natalia didnt two foot the double axel IMO as well. I had never noticed the footwork trip by Artur before. I guess it was performed with such wild abandon it seemed to fit right in. The funny thing is under COP Shishkova & Naumov would probably have beaten both teams easily on the TES in the LP, and B&E probably would have had the 2nd highest TES in the LP. Granted all the teams would have trained differently for COP.

    One thing we all seem to agree on was the ladies event though. That said I am relieved (for a host of reasons) that Nancy Kerrigan was never crowned the Olympic Champion. Sato or Chen would have made a great Olympic Champion that year, too bad both messed up the short program and didnt have the clout of Kerrigan, Bonaly, and Baiul.

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    If it was too close to tell (Natalia's double axel), I guess she should get the benefit of the doubt. And yes, I'm also relieved Kerrigan wasn't crowned Olympic champion (even though she probably should've been - I still cannot stand that long program of hers, especially when she starts hopping around the ice).

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    The Scotvolds were smoking some strong stuff when they thoguht that was an OGM program (despite that it almost was and probably should have been). Then again Nancy used to go out planning 7 triple programs with much better choreography and never ever coming close. So maybe they decided to just give her a crappy program with no choreography, so she could focus entirely on jumps, while now only attempting 5 or 6, and hope by setting the bar so much lower this led to clean performances at last.

    Anyway I can only imagine the hype machine on Kerrigan had she won. It was already nauseating enough into her first few years of pro skating as it was. I remember the beginning of ice wars and Boitano and Yamaguchi were payed these puny (relatively) little salaries compared to the monstrous once the queen Nancy was payed.

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    Oh, forgot to add: I would have given the bronze to S&N over B&E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    The Scotvolds were smoking some strong stuff when they thoguht that was an OGM program (despite that it almost was and probably should have been). Then again Nancy used to go out planning 7 triple programs with much better choreography and never ever coming close. So maybe they decided to just give her a crappy program with no choreography, so she could focus entirely on jumps, while now only attempting 5 or 6, and hope by setting the bar so much lower this led to clean performances at last.

    Anyway I can only imagine the hype machine on Kerrigan had she won. It was already nauseating enough into her first few years of pro skating as it was. I remember the beginning of ice wars and Boitano and Yamaguchi were payed these puny (relatively) little salaries compared to the monstrous once the queen Nancy was payed.
    Out of curiosity, I just watched Kerrigan's program again as I hadn't seen it in years. And it honestly seems like 3 or 4 random programs put together into one! It's actually somewhat comical to watch.

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    Eh. I mean, we're gonna trash LPs for being cheesy mish-mashes with no content at an event where Baiul won with that train wreck!? Seriously?

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    Oh I didn't mean to imply that Baiuls' program was any better. That LP was also a train wreck. But her it quality helped her carry it through it somewhat (and I stress somewhat!). I would never choose to watch either skater's programs at that competition. I much preferred Lu Chen and Yuka Sato's long programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Sato or Chen would have made a great Olympic Champion that year.
    I could never get past Sato's ugly boy hair or her Fantastic Sam's haircut in general. And her costumes looked like something off a JCPenney Outlet store clearance rack. Oh if she had only had decent packaging....

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenway2 View Post
    I could never get past Sato's ugly boy hair or her Fantastic Sam's haircut in general. And her costumes looked like something off a JCPenney Outlet store clearance rack. Oh if she had only had decent packaging....
    Her long program costume made her look so fat too. Absolutely horrible choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    You might want to check out Maofan7's video compilation thread and subsequent discussion: Retrospective: The 1994 Olympics
    Wow, thank you! That's amazing. I didn't realise someone was as interested in the '94 Olympics as me. Those documentaries are brilliant and all my three favourite men of skating (Urmanov, Platov and Dmitriev) were in top form back then

    I'm in a great minority I know, but I loved the beauty on ice that was Oksana Baiul and thought she rightfully won over colourless Nancy Kerrigan, although she should have won with higher presentation marks - not technical marks. Baiul's long programme might have been cheesy, but her short programme was a work of art!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenway2 View Post
    I could never get past Sato's ugly boy hair or her Fantastic Sam's haircut in general. And her costumes looked like something off a JCPenney Outlet store clearance rack. Oh if she had only had decent packaging....
    I'm DYING from this

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    Quote Originally Posted by all_empty View Post
    I'm DYING from this
    Me too!

    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Her long program costume made her look so fat too. Absolutely horrible choice.
    It was a pretty bad outfit. She's actually very petite in person. While I wasn't her biggest fan, looking at her pre-HFOS professional programs, it's funny how something as simple as a longer hairstyle and a well tailored costume can completely change your bodyline and overall effect on the ice. She actually looked so much more polished and well put together after 1994.
    Last edited by escaflowne9282; 03-31-2014 at 04:42 PM.

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