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    Quote Originally Posted by unchat123 View Post
    It's called the patriarchy. Women exist to look good for men, and their bodies are public property. A man's social worth does not derive from his physical attractiveness. Also, in a socially conservative world view, scantily clad male = gay = bad.
    And other women too, no? A not stereotypically "girly" young woman was wondering out loud at one point why so many women were into fancy nails and such, and that she didn't think they were doing that for men, and as a man I certainly am not more attracted to women with painted nails in all kinds of designs. I don't really care for painted nails at all. That's just a slightly silly example and a small sample size, but I also see that often women tend to be as critical or more critical of other women's appearances as men. (For example, I've been pretty vocal in my distaste for the "fashion police" type threads where women's clothing and makeup and appearance are picked apart, almost exclusively by women). I find placing such importance on women's appearance to be offensive, even though I also recognize that it's a little hypocritical since I am heterosexual and am as affected by what I perceive as beautiful, especially in women, as anyone else in a basic psychological and physiological sense.

    Also, there are studies that show bias based on appearance in both sexes (for example they earn less). The first study that came up actually found the wage gap was worse for men, though the author offers some explanations as to why that might be that don't necessarily indicate that appearance is more important for men than women in that area. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...55331418204842

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    Quote Originally Posted by unchat123 View Post
    A man's social worth does not derive from his physical attractiveness.
    That's not totally true though. Studies show that good looking men are paid more. And I think society values good looking -people- higher.

    It's just easier for a man to not need good looks, than women- but men certainly benefit from it as well.

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    Not saying men don't benefit from being good-looking but they are, for example, judged more on their career and their income than on their pure physical looks per se. A man's charm and personality factor into his overall attractiveness much more than is the case for women, who need to be attractive AND charming, intelligent, etc. And girls are from a very young age told to value aesthetics and "prettiness" - a 5 year old girl will be told a lot more often that she is "pretty" than a 5 year old boy will be told that he is "handsome." And sure, a straight man is unlikely to comment on a woman's nails or shoes but men and women can be equally ruthless toward another woman's physical appearance, particularly when it pertains to her physical body, not the superficial styling and cosmetics.

    Anyway, back to objectifying men. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    *gets scissors* You are right. Max needs better hair. I much preferred last season's hair. This season has been a hot mess.
    And he needs to rethink those chola brows.

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    I'd agree that Scott Moir is not good looking. He is actually very average and his nose is distracting. But his skating and acting skills, his funny personality and his sizzling chemistry with Tessa somehow combine to make him very attractive.

    Quote Originally Posted by unchat123 View Post
    It's called the patriarchy. Women exist to look good for men, and their bodies are public property. A man's social worth does not derive from his physical attractiveness. Also, in a socially conservative world view, scantily clad male = gay = bad.
    Well said. I love it when two of my passions collide - figure skating and patriarchy bashing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Xela M View Post
    I actually prefer it when male skaters wear something very simple. I find the over the top costumes tend to detract from a skater's good looks. Alexei Urmanov is a good example - such a handsome man, but usually looking ridiculous in some costume-from-hell extravaganza. Ilya Kulik's 1998 long programme costume was so bad it should have been marked down!
    What, you're not a fan of giraffes in tuxedos?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bue View Post
    What, you're not a fan of giraffes in tuxedos?!
    I've also seen it described as "Taxi Collides with a Cow"

    Seriously, wtf was that costume all about?!

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    I'm surprised Morgan Cipres hasn't been mentioned yet , unless I missed it. Also didn't see Dylan Moscovitch mentioned either. He's more "hot" than handsome though...that body!

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    Christopher Bowman (early nineties), Denis Petrov, Evgeni Platov, Steven Cousins, Ondrei Hotarek, Alexei Urmanov, Paul Duchesnay, Ilia Kulik, Gorsha Sur, Peter Tchernychev, Brian Boitano, Brian Pockar, Hongbo Zhao (saw him wearing a limegreen string under white pants once...), Daisuke Takahasi, Maurizio Margaglio, Petri Kokko, Oleg Ovsiannikov, Rudi Cerne, Peter Oppegard, Mark Mitchell, Viktor Petrenko, Eric Millot, Eric Radford, Nikita Katsalapov........

    I know that some of These guys are gay, but still eye candy ;-) Some may not have aged well, but during their respective prime time, I found them pretty hot. I think Kozuka and Rippon are cute, but not in a masculine way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawnie View Post
    I'm surprised Morgan Cipres hasn't been mentioned yet , unless I missed it. Also didn't see Dylan Moscovitch mentioned either. He's more "hot" than handsome though...that body!
    I mentioned Morgan in my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    And he needs to rethink those chola brows.
    Total chola eyebrows. He reminds me of the gangbanger girlfriends I went to school with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skating is fun View Post
    Christopher Bowman (early nineties), Denis Petrov, Evgeni Platov, Steven Cousins, Ondrei Hotarek, Alexei Urmanov, Paul Duchesnay, Ilia Kulik, Gorsha Sur, Peter Tchernychev, Brian Boitano, Brian Pockar, Hongbo Zhao (saw him wearing a limegreen string under white pants once...), Daisuke Takahasi, Maurizio Margaglio, Petri Kokko, Oleg Ovsiannikov, Rudi Cerne, Peter Oppegard, Mark Mitchell, Viktor Petrenko, Eric Millot, Eric Radford, Nikita Katsalapov........

    I know that some of These guys are gay, but still eye candy ;-) Some may not have aged well, but during their respective prime time, I found them pretty hot. I think Kozuka and Rippon are cute, but not in a masculine way.
    A G-string???

    I agree, Hongbo Zhao is quite handsome. I remember reading in "The Second Mark" that one of the big concerns teaming Shen and Zhao up was that she wasn't pretty enough for him. Can you imagine if they never teamed up because of that? BTW, I think she turned out to be quite pretty herself and they complement each other so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawnie View Post
    I agree, Hongbo Zhao is quite handsome. I remember reading in "The Second Mark" that one of the big concerns teaming Shen and Zhao up was that she wasn't pretty enough for him. Can you imagine if they never teamed up because of that? BTW, I think she turned out to be quite pretty herself and they complement each other so well.
    He is very handsome and it's hilarious to think that someone thought she might not be pretty enough because I think of her as such a superstar. I have her on quite a bit of a pedestal in my head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by unchat123 View Post
    It's called the patriarchy. Women exist to look good for men, and their bodies are public property. A man's social worth does not derive from his physical attractiveness. Also, in a socially conservative world view, scantily clad male = gay = bad.
    Oh please! This a lighthearted thread and those are such sweeping statements. I thankfully live in a culture where my body is NOT public property, and to say men are not judged by their physical attractiveness ignores how men are depicted in today's film, TV & advertising. It also ignores history in general. Just find some images from the 16/17th centuries & you'll see how men often dressed even more ornately than women - often to accentuate their -- assets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbatgirl View Post
    He is very handsome and it's hilarious to think that someone thought she might not be pretty enough because I think of her as such a superstar. I have her on quite a bit of a pedestal in my head!
    It had a lot to do with her teeth, IIRC, which let's face it...was pretty bad before she got braces. I haven't read the book in a long time, but I do recall that Zhao was the golden boy of Chinese figure skating and they wanted to make sure they had the perfect partner for him. And I agree, she's a total superstar and was the stronger skater of the two, especially later in their career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanne7 View Post
    I thankfully live in a culture where my body is NOT public property.
    You've never been catcalled? Not even once in your entire life?
    Plus I was responding to an earlier poster who wondered why women are scantily clad in figure skating while men aren't.

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    Morgan Cipres and Matteo Guarise are my reward for catching the middle pack of the pair competition.

    Nikita Katsalopov is also really hot. Josh Farris among the Americans

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    Alexander Smirnov for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawnie View Post
    A G-string???

    I agree, Hongbo Zhao is quite handsome.
    Very handsome, indeed. And he is aging well! Shen is pretty too, it was just that the teeth were very distracting. Their daughter will be a looker! (And maybe a great skater as well?)

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    Sergei Grinkov, Andrew Poje, John Zimmerman, Fedor Andreev, Nikita Katsalapov

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    Quote Originally Posted by all_empty View Post

    Platov has aged well, and so has Vadim Naumov.
    Really? I don't think so at all!

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    Nikita Katsalapov - young but already handsome. In a few years he´ll be the hottest guy in town.

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