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    Stojko was no where near the best in 99-02. That's just straight up crazy talk. He would've been a distant 3rd at best, maybe even behind Eldredge/Goebel.

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    Sorry that was an accident. I was still thinking 95-98 when I put him first. Yeah you are right, 3rd best of 99-2002 was probably Goebel. Stojko was probably 4th just ahead of Eldredge, Honda, and Weiss.

    I hate having to pick Slutskaya as the best of both the 99-2002 and 2003-2006 quads as I hate her skating but objectively speaking she was probably the best skater of both quads overall. 2003-2006 by default mostly though. 99-2002 she atleast had strong competition with Kwan for that title. 2003-2006 nobody really deserves it, but she gets it by default. Had Cohen just won the crappy 2006 worlds it would probably be her since she was the most consistent and overall good of the quad.

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    Calling Hanyu best of the 2011-2014 quad is crazy. he doesnt even come close to Chan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabrown View Post
    Calling Hanyu best of the 2011-2014 quad is crazy. he doesnt even come close to Chan.
    Why? He just won Words and the OGM (non-controversially).

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    I agree Hanyu is now above Chan as best skater of the 2011-2014 quad. OGM + uncontroversial world title > 1 uncontroversial world title + 2 of the most controversial world titles in history + no OGM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight1 View Post
    In terms of iconic ability

    95-98- Stojko, Kwan, K&D, G&P
    99-02- Yagudin, Kwan, B&S and A&P
    03-06- Plushenko, Slutskaya, T&M, N&K
    07-10 Joubert, Kim/Asada, S&Z and D&S
    11-14 Chan, Kim, V&T and S&S and D&W and V&M
    Pretty good. I would put Eldredge over Stojko for 95-98, Lipinski over Kwan for 95-98, Slutskaya over Kwan for 99-2002, Kim all alone for 07-2010, D&W all alone for 2011-2014, V&T all alone for 2011-2014. Which D&S are referring to for 07-2010, they are like 3 or 4 of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuzytalent View Post
    I agree Hanyu is now above Chan as best skater of the 2011-2014 quad. OGM + uncontroversial world title > 1 uncontroversial world title + 2 of the most controversial world titles in history + no OGM.
    I would have to agree with you. I made my picks before the men's competition was over.

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    95-98- B&S, Stojko, Lipinski, G&P
    99-2002- B&S, Yagudin (although Plushenko always felt more dominant to me somehow), Slutskaya, A&P
    2003-2006- T&M, Plushenko, N&K/D&S/D&S (the title said best, not most achieved), Slutskaya
    2007-2010- S&Z, Takahashi (again title said best, not most achieved), D&S/D&S, Kim
    2011-2014- V&T, Hanyu, D&W, Kim

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    99-2002- B&S, Yagudin (although Plushenko always felt more dominant to me somehow) Kim
    Probably cause Yagudin's PR strategy leading up to the Olympics painted him as an underdog. But really, he just had one bad season (00-01) and it wasn't even that bad. He skated very well even when he lost to Plushenko, except for worlds when he was injured. Either way, Plushenko was too young in the first part of that quad to really be dominant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviechicko_o View Post
    Probably cause Yagudin's PR strategy leading up to the Olympics painted him as an underdog. But really, he just had one bad season (00-01) and it wasn't even that bad. He skated very well even when he lost to Plushenko, except for worlds when he was injured. Either way, Plushenko was too young in the first part of that quad to really be dominant.
    Well in the 99-2000, 2000-2001, and first half of the 2001-2002 seasons Plushenko lost only once- 2000 worlds where he had a melt down. Even when Yagudin skated very well he usualy lost to Plushenko. Yagudin though usually won the 98-99 season and ended the all important 2002 season dominating, so came out looking alot better in the end. So it did feel for 2.5 of the 4 seasons Plushenko was unbeatable, despite that Yagudin ended the quad with 4 worlds (if we start at the 98 worlds and end with the 2002) and an Olympics which seems much more than Plushenko.

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    If you just look at their direct match-ups, they seemed rather even (Plushenko: 7, Yagudin: 6) but Yagudin really had a monopoly on the bigger events. If you take away the nationals, then Plushenko only has 4 wins over Yagudin and he never beat Yags in the 97-98 season.

    98-99: Plushenko won Nationals, Yagudin won GPF, Euros and Worlds.
    99-00: Plushenko won Nationals and Euros, Yagudin won Worlds.
    00-01: Plusheno won Nationals, GPF, Euros and Worlds.
    01-02: Yagudin won GPF and Olympics.

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    Only the girls:

    95-98: 1. Chen, 2. Lipinski, 3. Kwan, 4. Bonaly, 5. Bobek
    99-2002: 1. Slutskaya, 2. Butyrskaya, 3. Hughes, 4. Kwan, 5. Suguri
    2003-2006: 1. Cohen, 2. Slutskaya, 3. Arakawa, 4. Asada, 5. Kwan
    2007-2010: 1. Yu Na Kim, 2. Asada, 3. Rochette, 4. Ando, 5. Lepisto
    2011-2014: 1. Yu Na Kim, 2. Kostner, 3. Asada, 4. Lipnitskaya, 5. Ando

    2011-2014: 1. Hanyu, 2. Chan, 3. Takahashi, 4. Fernandez, 5. Ten
    2011-2014: 1. Virtue & Moir, 2. Davis & White, 3. Shibutanis
    2011-2014: 1. Volosozhar & Trankov

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    95-98 Lipinski, no pairs, no man, Pasha Gritschuk
    99-2002 Slutskaya, Sale and Pelletier, Yagudin, Anissina
    2003-2006 Slutskaya, Totmianina and Marinin, Lambiel, no dance
    2007-2010 Yu Na Kim, Savchenko & Szolkowy, no man, no dance
    2011-2014 Yu Na Kim, Savchenko & Szolkowy, Hanyu, Davis and White

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    It is funny Michelle Kwan is considered the better skater between her and Irina, when most consider Irina the best skater of 2 quadrennials and Michelle of 0. I guess the gap between Michelle and Irina in the 95-98 one was much more than the gap between Irina and Michelle in 99-2002 and 2003-2006 combined though.

    Yagudin wasnt the best skater of any quad. He won his titles only when Plushenko had injuries. Plushenko was super unlucky, after 99 Yagudin was never really the best again. Plushenko's brain cramp handed him the 2000 World title, and Plushenko's groin handed him the 2002 Olympics and World titles, otherwise Plushenko would have never lost to Yagudin in a major event again after 1999 Worlds. Yagudin was also handed the 1998 World title on a gold platter due to Kulik's withdrawal, he never would have won otherwise.

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    Injury or no, Plushenko would not have won in 2002 with the way Yagudin skated (low risk but clean) and with weaker artistic programs. He would've needed Yagudin to make a mistake, which is how he won everything in the 00-01 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviechicko_o View Post
    Injury or no, Plushenko would not have won in 2002 with the way Yagudin skated (low risk but clean) and with weaker artistic programs. He would've needed Yagudin to make a mistake, which is how he won everything in the 00-01 season.
    At that years Grand Prix final Yagudin was perfect and only beat Plushenko by .1 with Plushenko turning out of his quad-triple, and not attempting a 2nd triple axel as Yagudin did. At the Olympics he had 2 triple axels, one in a super hard sequence, so skating cleanly he would win. Scott Hamilton even said "Yagudin hopes everyone skates bad". Barb Underhill said Yagudin could win if he were clean and Plushenko and Stojko made mistakes.

    At the 2000-2001 season Grand Prix final Yagudin was perfect and lost to Plushenko. Plushenko was given almost all 5.9s on both sets before Yagudin even skated his final program. Then at the 2001 Worlds Yagudin skated a clean short and again lost to Plushenko.

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    Yagudin stepped out of his 2nd quad at the 00-01 GPF while Plushenko was flawless and Yagudin still had a few 1st place ordinals. At Euros, Yagudin also had a mistake on the 2nd quad and singled a 3A, and also managed some 1st place ordinals vs. Plushenko who was again flawless. Worlds was a different story since Yagudin was pretty much out of gold contention after QR.

    In 02, neither was perfect at the GPF. Yagudin doubled some jumps while Plushenko had a turnout.

    At the Olympics, Plushenko was out of gold contention after the SP so it really didn't matter who won the LP. It's not like Goebel would've beaten either of them barring a huge meltdown.

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    Yagudin barely put his foot down on the 2nd quad at the 2000-2001 Grand Prix final. That was not a big enough mistake to lose by, and it is clear by the marks Plushenko got before Yagudin even skated he was never wining anyway. He would have needed 6.0s from atleast 3 judges IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabrown View Post
    Calling Hanyu best of the 2011-2014 quad is crazy. he doesnt even come close to Chan.
    Hanyu is the best of this quad now. Olympic + World + Grand Prix final gold always wins, as long as there are a few other decent results which for him there is (World bronze 2012, World 4th 2013, Grand prix final silver over Chan in 2012-2013). Chan would trade his achievements for Hanyu's, especialy minus the 2 Worlds silvers and other things he achieved in 2008-2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakimons View Post
    Arakawa shouldnt be given skater of the quad for 03-06. Normally a skater winning worlds and the Olympics would be a slam dunk but she has to be an exception. She had literally only 2 good events the whole quad. Her grand prix record is embarassing, her other showings at worlds awful, and she didnt even come better than 3rd at her own Nationals that period. I would put Slutskaya, Cohen, and maybe even Kwan and Asada all above her.
    I agree. No way is Shizuka the best skater of the 2003-2006 quad. Maybe the only case in history someone who won Worlds and Olympics wasnt the best skater of the quad, with Petrenko in 1989-1992 vs Browning being the other. Her other results were just too poor to have a real case. I would put her behind Slutskaya for sure. Not sure about Cohen, as Cohen didnt even win a World title, but then again Cohen's body of work that quad is so much more impressive and 95% of the time she was a way better skater getting way better results than Shizuka so probably her too. Kwan I wouldnt put above Shizuka for that quadrennial, but could even see a possible case for her.

    Anyway had Shizuka been marked correctly in the short programs of the 2004 Worlds and 2006 Olympics she probably would have won neither event.

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