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The original post was rude. And the poster apparently hasn't bothered to read the information about the complaint that *is* available.Well that was rude. Do you have a link to the actual complaint? So far, all I've seen were articles talking about it.
Actually, the Japanese people are just being polite that's why they didn't bash her or were hostile to her like what the Russians in Sochi Oly did to Yuna and the others. That doesn't exactly mean that they don't care about Sochi controversy. Of course they do! That was the first time Mao landed her 8 triples with no glaring mistake and she wins it with a flawed program? Actually JapanTimes was one of the firsts publishers to make an article about Sochi scandal. I'm betting my bottom dollar that if she were to skate in Korea, Koreans would be polite to her too. Those people commenting in her instagram is NOT the entire country. Gosh, she sounds like some of the posters in Goldenskate.
Sounds like she was expecting (or hoping) that everyone would forget about what happened in Sochi. Personally, I think she knows, deep down, that she didn't deserve the gold. This is all just a desperate attempt to convince herself that she was the best. She should learn some humility, because her attitude is not helping her case at all. This is coming from someone who saw a lot of promise in her.
Last edited by cuon_alpinus; 04-18-2014 at 07:55 PM.
I know what the complaint is about. They want the isu to say the panel was wrong on some level. Then the whole process is over? South Korea uses it to try to change rules? South Korea uses it to say sotnikova shouldn't have the gold anymore?
They could, and why not? If the rules allow judges with blatant conflicts of interest, and judges who were previously suspended for cheating, to sit on one of the highest-profile judging panels in the entire sport, maybe the rules should be changed.South Korea uses it to try to change rules? South Korea uses it to say sotnikova shouldn't have the gold anymore?
Russian news about KOC protest. They are saying that Adelina had only ONE mistake in her free skate. She did a mistake but the difficulty of her program was higher then from Korean skater. Also Tarasova (Coach): " Olympic games are free of manipulation, never had, never will have. And they (Koreans) better watch skate of their own skater which is definitely extraordinary athlete but on last Olympic games (2010) I thought she got too high scores compare to Mao Asada (PS She is Mao's choreographer). And by the second score Mao should been ahead of Yuna. It was impossible to compete. Adelina won so fair, over-jumped, her rotations were on different level. Adelina's win was pure." Then they are talking about Russian pair split. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbdjMdHnfVA
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The current ISU Code of Ethics is found in ISU Communication 1717:
In the case of the Technical Controller also serving as Russian Federation VP, I think there is a good argument this violates paragraph 4.f:
Clearly, one cannot be seen as independent when one is a national federation official. The wording here is a little awkward though, in that it talks about taking a federation position while holding an ISU appointment, rather than the other way around. In this case, Lakernik was already Russian Federation VP before his appointment to serve as Tech Controller in Sochi. (I don't know what the timing is re his federation job and his appointment to the ISU big list of qualified international technical officials.) IMO if the Koreans have not mentioned Lakernik in their complaint, they should amend it to add him (esp since part of the controversy involves technical calls relating to Sotnikova)."f) I agree that my performance, conduct and comments while serving the ISU should genuinely stimulate trust and confidence among the Members, Skaters, officials, media and the public at large. I understand that my actions can reflect on the ISU and the sport of skating both positively and negatively. I recognize that even the appearance of misconduct, impropriety, insincere attitude or purpose can be damaging. I agree not to hold any official position within my Member organization that at any time could be, or reasonably appear to be, in conflict with my independent status, duty and loyalty to the ISU."
In the case of Alla S., a good argument can be made that her serving on any judging panel in which Russian skaters are competing violated this language from Paragraph 4.h:
When considering conflicts of interests, it is usually held that a wife's interests cannot be separated from her husband's and vice-versa. I think it is a given that an OGM for a skater does "gain public acclaim" for his/her federation and that federation's highest officials. (BTW, Shekhovtseva also served on the panel for the ladies FS in the team event. If CAS rules there was a violation for ladies singles, then there would also be an even more clear violation for the team event under this "glory to the federation" argument.)"I agree to: (1) prompt disclosure of my personal interest in any situation that could reasonably be considered to involve a conflict of interest; (2) abstain from making or influencing decisions involving personal or family gain or public acclaim; (3) absolute independence on my part which excludes favoritism for, or prejudice against, any Member, Coach, Skater or his/her family member, ISU Office Holder or country; and (4) strict observance of the confidentiality of non-public ISU information or when disclosure is prohibited by law or the ISU Statutes."
As for Balkov, while I agree personally that an ethical violation should earn a lifetime ban from Olympic judging, I think this argument is a non-starter because the code does not call for that. For the CAS to find he should not have been allowed on this Olympic panel, they would essentially be reviewing the punishment handed down to Balkov over a decade ago, which included only a suspension for a period of time. I don't even know if a federation has standing to appeal the results of disciplinary actions not involving their own members, and even if they do, surely the time for such an objection has long since passed.
Last edited by Susan M; 04-19-2014 at 08:47 PM.
But back in 2007, Tarasova highly complimented how good yuna is. Here is the link for those who can understand russian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45sAYDVWvOw
She exalts every elements of her program. On her triple loop jump, she said "It's even hard for men to jump like that. I don't know how she could learn all that in Korea." "I guess a genius can be born anywhere." "She is the best and I like her 'Roxanne de Tango' the most." Then, the other commentator said that "the winner is going to be either Asada or Yuna."
Tara replied, "No, they are very different. It's difficult to compare. I still felt Yuna's program was shorter time. But Mao still did a very good job."
I guess her inferiority started when Yuna started to get such a high attention over her in Vancouver Olympic.
Another theory is that the Koreans filing the complaint are really just doing it for show to appease their home audience. They don't really expect anything to happen or even to win, it is all about posturing.
I'm not going to quote all of SusanM's post because it's long, but there are some excellent points in it.
Re Balkov, I agree that the CAS could not reasonably review his case, since his offense was "resolved" by the ISU at the time. (I say "resolved" because IMHO the penalty was ridiculous in light of the offense.) The ISU itself should have considered that having him in the pool or on the panel at the Olympics was a very bad move in terms of how the fairness of the competition would be perceived. But that would require the ISU to be aware of how it's perceived generally, which isn't one of its strong points.
The ISU's bylaws and policies are really badly written, and this is an excellent example. Depending on how "public acclaim" is interpreted or applied - is the "acclaim" for the skater? for the country? for the federation? for the judge? - this could exclude pretty much every qualified judge from any country. And the final part basically forces the judge to agree to shut up about everything and anything, which is certainly not fair or reasonable."I agree to: (1) prompt disclosure of my personal interest in any situation that could reasonably be considered to involve a conflict of interest; (2) abstain from making or influencing decisions involving personal or family gain or public acclaim; (3) absolute independence on my part which excludes favoritism for, or prejudice against, any Member, Coach, Skater or his/her family member, ISU Office Holder or country; and (4) strict observance of the confidentiality of non-public ISU information or when disclosure is prohibited by law or the ISU Statutes."
But without seeing the actual text of the complaint, we don't know if this is the strategy that is being used.