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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    I was watching the press conference with the Malaysian officials and was impressed with their command of English--unhesitating, articulate and fluent. They sounded as if they used English every day. I am not at all familiar with the life in Malaysia, but do a lot of people speak English well?
    I can't say specifically about Malaysia since I have never been there, but many countries in the world know English very well. It's a misconception that only people in the USA, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand can speak English. For some outside these countries it is their first language, or one they know as well as (sometimes better than) their mother tongue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I have wondered why officials are assuming it crashed. I guess it makes the most sense being that the plane hasn't been spotted and no one has been heard from for well over a week now. However, it doesn't make sense that the pilots (or whoever did this) would go through so much trouble to crash it into the ocean to never be heard from again. It doesn't seem to accomplish anything. We may NEVER know what really happened and if you went through all of this there was surely some kind of point to all of it, no? Then again, I am trying to apply logic to an illogical situation. I just feel like they must have intended to put the plane down SOMEWHERE and not just into the middle of the ocean. Maybe they didn't make it but an experienced pilot would know how far they could make it on the fuel they had so I assume they had a plan and it was possible to execute. I can't help but think that plane was landed somewhere or at the very least there was a plan for that (and that others were involved on that end of it but are being very quiet if the plane never showed up).
    I don't think they are ruling out the possibility that the plane may have landed at an unknown site. In that case I am wondering what they are doing about those 200+ passengers? Could they have taken away their cell phones? Given them some kind of sleep pills? It's not easy to keep that many people quiet for 10+ days. The whole thing is so weird, I am even open to the possibility of alien involvement. I am not trying to be funny. I just don't want to rule out anything at all, and the possibility that the plane may have crashed in the Indian Ocean is still very much there. It's not easy to search over such a huge area. I feel for the families. I hope they get answers. It's hard enough to lose loved ones, but not knowing what happened to them must be even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I can't say specifically about Malaysia since I have never been there, but many countries in the world know English very well. It's a misconception that only people in the USA, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand can speak English. For some outside these countries it is their first language, or one they know as well as (sometimes better than) their mother tongue.
    I was in Malaysia this past fall and English was spoken everywhere; I just checked my photos and it looks like billboards and major signs were all mainly English. I also had no problem communicating- and at least one random person came up to me in a train station and spoke to me in English. Granted, I was only there a brief time and in some of the more touristy areas... but my recollection is that English was quite prevalent.

    And yeah, I flew Malaysia Air- Beijing to KL and then KL to Hanoi. So this whole thing is especially freaky to me.

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    By far the most probable scenario at this point is that the plane has crashed into the ocean and that everybody is dead. If the plane was hijacked, the pilot could have diverted it into the ocean so that it crashed there and nobody on the ground was hurt, as somebody suggested already.

    If whoever hijacked it was after the plane and did manage to land safely (which is not very probable but theoretically possible), then they would have surely killed all the passengers as well. Had they been released, they would have contacted their loved ones straight away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I can't say specifically about Malaysia since I have never been there, but many countries in the world know English very well. It's a misconception that only people in the USA, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand can speak English. For some outside these countries it is their first language, or one they know as well as (sometimes better than) their mother tongue.
    I know that plenty of people speak English besides the ones you mentioned. The Dutch never fail to impress with their near flawless English, most Swedes, Germans and Austrians too. However, I didn't know whether that was the case with the Malaysians and if such mastery of English was common. THAT was my question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    By far the most probable scenario at this point is that the plane has crashed into the ocean and that everybody is dead. If the plane was hijacked, the pilot could have diverted it into the ocean so that it crashed there and nobody on the ground was hurt, as somebody suggested already.

    If whoever hijacked it was after the plane and did manage to land safely (which is not very probable but theoretically possible), then they would have surely killed all the passengers as well. Had they been released, they would have contacted their loved ones straight away.
    Sadly we may never know the motive of the pilots -or whoever forced it- if that's what happened. As you said, a crash in the Indian Ocean is the most likely scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    I was watching the press conference with the Malaysian officials and was impressed with their command of English--unhesitating, articulate and fluent. They sounded as if they used English every day. I am not at all familiar with the life in Malaysia, but do a lot of people speak English well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I don't think they are ruling out the possibility that the plane may have landed at an unknown site. In that case I am wondering what they are doing about those 200+ passengers? Could they have taken away their cell phones? Given them some kind of sleep pills? It's not easy to keep that many people quiet for 10+ days.
    10 days. No contact from hostages. Look up: Operation Entebbe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I have also wondered this but they keep saying it only had enough fuel for 7 hours. Maybe they have ways to check that even after the fact? I was thinking that one accomplice on the ground could put way more fuel on the flight but there may be other ways to track how much is put onto each plane that a person couldn't override. No clue.
    Airport operations/svs are independent commercial entities from the airlines (in general). The fueling services operate like gas stations, you fuel X liters - you pay for X liters. The tab is on, you get a print-out and a bill (sent to the corp. offices, if you have credit with airport X, or your ground handler credits it for you). ME in KUL, being a domestic airline has a tab with the airport I am sure, but every fueling for every flight is tracked and billed. It is very easy to look up the records how much fuel was input and billed into that a/c on that day for that flight.

    But..... holly chihuahua, for what it is worth...... there was an american's FAA warning in 2011 about problems with fuel tanks on B777's which have to do with gaps in electric flow... which can not be detected in regular circumstances, but escalate in cases of certain deviations from "norms" from certain planned technical procedures and elements of a flight as it is normally planned and executed. In simple terms, higher propensity to catch on fire and/or blow up.

    http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?d...8-dc41004bb7d4
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    Quote Originally Posted by BelleBway View Post
    And yeah, I flew Malaysia Air- Beijing to KL and then KL to Hanoi. So this whole thing is especially freaky to me.
    Same here. I flew KL to Beijing on Malaysia Airlines many, many years ago (had a great time, as I remember) so this is especially unsettling.

    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    However, I didn't know whether that was the case with the Malaysians and if such mastery of English was common. THAT was my question.
    As someone who's had first hand experience, it is very common especially in the main cities and more upscale areas. I know of Malaysians (predominantly from the Indian and Chinese minorities) who grew up speaking only English and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    By far the most probable scenario at this point is that the plane has crashed into the ocean and that everybody is dead. If the plane was hijacked, the pilot could have diverted it into the ocean so that it crashed there and nobody on the ground was hurt, as somebody suggested already.
    I agree.

    The government in Malaysia has made much of the fact that the pilot didn't support them. The latest speculation I've heard is that the government may be insinuating that the pilot was involved, but it's quite possible that he was the hero in it all and crashed into the sea rather than into a target. There is nothing in his personal life, apart from his clear opposition to the government, that screams terrorist.

    At this stage, I'm really coming around to hijacking gone wrong, unclaimed because it didn't help whatever cause. I've been pretty reluctant to believe it but I think it's the only thing that makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    I know that plenty of people speak English besides the ones you mentioned. The Dutch never fail to impress with their near flawless English, most Swedes, Germans and Austrians too. However, I didn't know whether that was the case with the Malaysians and if such mastery of English was common. THAT was my question.
    Asia is changing a lot - there is a bigger east/west divide than ever, I think. Hong Kong and Taiwan are the prime examples, but Japan and Malaysia have increasing influence of the English language. Nearly everyone in the Philippines can speak English, and quite well. I think Indonesia is heading that way too.

    Chinese is still an increasingly important language, especially for business, but culturally English is very attractive. Being educated in English is thought to open up many opportunities
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    The thing about a hijacking gone wrong (which admittedly seems the most likely scenario) is, why then the superhuman effort to avoid military radar? From what I've read, whoever was piloting the plane after it disappeared knew it was navigating on the edges/"under" the radar. If a hijacker can't figure out the plane is going in the opposite direction of instructed, then said hijacker is certainly not going to know if the plane is dodging military survellience zones. So the only thing that makes sense to me is that there are things that are not being revealed. The government may know exactly where that plane is.

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    My thought on hijacking gone wrong is a hijacker was piloting the plane, avoiding detection, and crashed accidentally. (Hell, the hijacker may have been the authorized pilot.)

    I don't buy the "pilots diverted over the ocean" thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nypanda View Post
    The thing about a hijacking gone wrong (which admittedly seems the most likely scenario) is, why then the superhuman effort to avoid military radar? From what I've read, whoever was piloting the plane after it disappeared knew it was navigating on the edges/"under" the radar. If a hijacker can't figure out the plane is going in the opposite direction of instructed, then said hijacker is certainly not going to know if the plane is dodging military survellience zones. So the only thing that makes sense to me is that there are things that are not being revealed. The government may know exactly where that plane is.
    It makes sense to fly undetected under a couple of different scenarios.
    1. The pilots were trying to keep everyone on board alive at that point while they were trying to formulate a plan of escape.
    2. The intended destination of the hijackers wasn't Beijing but somewhere else and the pilots were told to fly under radar undetected and they were cooperating at that point.

    If they were detected off course at all by military radar, they would have been shot down as they were clearly off the intended course of the flight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinami Amori View Post
    Airport operations/svs are independent commercial entities from the airlines (in general). The fueling services operate like gas stations, you fuel X liters - you pay for X liters. The tab is on, you get a print-out and a bill (sent to the corp. offices, if you have credit with airport X, or your ground handler credits it for you). ME in KUL, being a domestic airline has a tab with the airport I am sure, but every fueling for every flight is tracked and billed. It is very easy to look up the records how much fuel was input and billed into that a/c on that day for that flight.
    Yes, my son used to do refueling planes. Every refuel/fueling was documented not only for billing (main ourpose) but to record amounts the fuel station had on hand.

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    How sure are they that the last words from the plane were from one of the crew members and not a hijacker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by *Jen* View Post
    Asia is changing a lot - there is a bigger east/west divide than ever, I think. Hong Kong and Taiwan are the prime examples, but Japan and Malaysia have increasing influence of the English language. Nearly everyone in the Philippines can speak English, and quite well. I think Indonesia is heading that way too.

    Chinese is still an increasingly important language, especially for business, but culturally English is very attractive. Being educated in English is thought to open up many opportunities
    That's why Mini Ice is studying Mandarin.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrinalini View Post

    As someone who's had first hand experience, it is very common especially in the main cities and more upscale areas. I know of Malaysians (predominantly from the Indian and Chinese minorities) who grew up speaking only English and nothing else.
    Thanks!

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    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessLeppard View Post
    Well, Courtney Love thinks she's found the plane.....
    that would be a coup considering she cant find frances most of the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by skategal View Post
    It makes sense to fly undetected under a couple of different scenarios.
    1. The pilots were trying to keep everyone on board alive at that point while they were trying to formulate a plan of escape.
    2. The intended destination of the hijackers wasn't Beijing but somewhere else and the pilots were told to fly under radar undetected and they were cooperating at that point.

    If they were detected off course at all by military radar, they would have been shot down as they were clearly off the intended course of the flight.
    This twitter post contains a tumblr link which describes how it might be possible to avoid radar detection by "shadowing" another similar plane. First the twitter: https://twitter.com/socalmike_SD/sta...41174792261634

    and now the tumblr : http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...ing-sia68-sq68
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    The story is fading from the headlines.
    Sadly, it's bound to fade because no one knows what's going on.

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