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    vocalsl for free skating?

    well, i have decided to push the boundaries and go for vocals for my free skating programme after dithering over it for a while. going to oberstdorf for adult comp and we are the first group of skaters to work with the new rules. any judges on here ? would love to know what people think about using vocals for freeskating? my coaches were initially concerned that the judges may not like the changes. but i feel for me that skating to music i enjoy will enhance my performance. dont get me wrong i did like my free music , but i dont 'love it' and i picked it myself!

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    VOCALS - oops

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    My thoughts about choosing vocals:

    Make sure the music itself is interesting aside from the words -- melody and/or rhythm you can skate to.
    Don't just act out the lyrics.

    Don't choose a song where the story the singer is telling is more interesting than what you'll be doing on the ice.

    If you have to cut a song down for length, and if the lyrics are supposed to make sense, make sure you don't cut so that the sense is lost. And if there are setups for rhymes, don't cut to lose the rhyme.

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    I agree with gkelly. It's very tricky to cut vocals so that they make textual as well as musical sense. Doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, but be careful.

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    An intermediate man used vocals this week at nationals and his program was very nice. Ice dancing has done it for years. It is all about good cutting.

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    Don't lip synch. Judges hate it.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    This may seem kind of basic, but.....choose vocals where you can actually understand the words over the PA. I would *highly* recommend playing any music on the PA at the rink before you decide to use it. The judges may be hearing the song for the first time, and if understanding the program requires understanding the words of the song, you are going to be in trouble if the judges can't make out the words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toothbrush View Post
    well, i have decided to push the boundaries and go for vocals for my free skating programme after dithering over it for a while. going to oberstdorf for adult comp and we are the first group of skaters to work with the new rules. any judges on here ? would love to know what people think about using vocals for freeskating? my coaches were initially concerned that the judges may not like the changes. but i feel for me that skating to music i enjoy will enhance my performance. dont get me wrong i did like my free music , but i dont 'love it' and i picked it myself!
    I went with vocals for my program for adult nationals in the US. The movement I'm doing ties in to the vocals, but is not a slave to them. And I have no plans to lipsynch

    I'm considering doing a second program as well, which will also have vocals.

    I think US adult nationals started allowing vocals last year?
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    It's been about 5 years that USFS has allowed vocals in all test and 6.0 event freeskates, and adult and juvenile and intermediate IJS events.

    What will change next year, thanks(?) to the ISU, is allowing them for novice-senior as well.

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    I don't lip-synch but I have been known to sing along while I skate. None of the judges ever told me that they "hated it" and a couple told me they were impressed that I could do both! Of course, it was a character piece that I was acting out, so singing along was part of the program. I don't know that I'd do it if it was something dramatic or just vocal music as part of a freeskate program. That would be silly.
    I'd rather be thought of as absolutely ridiculous than as absolutely boring.

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    I've only judged very very low level competitions- but it bothers me when skaters sing along, if singing along is not part of the program.

    Oh, another example of a skater who used vocals (and took the deduction): Misha Ge. The vocals did not distract from his skating, though the cutting of music in his piece was rather bizarre, it wasn't the vocals that was the problem (I think only one selection had vocals).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    Don't lip synch. Judges hate it.
    Don't profess to speak for "judges" in general. Maybe you hate it and maybe some other judges you've talked to do, but as zaphyre14 said, some of them like it and I have seen a few examples myself where I was impressed that the skater was able to do so and it added an additional level to making the performance more effective, IMO (most cases were in a showcase/interpretive type event but also once in a competitive free skating event at the juvenile level-- and a few times in ice dance, now that I think about it). Additionally, judges should be able to put aside any personal distaste or dislike of something if they are attempting to be objective. I don't see how lip-synching or singing along could negatively impact any actual judging criteria (but would be interested to hear if you think it can or have seen examples where it did, and how it detracted).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFOS View Post
    I don't see how lip-synching or singing along could negatively impact any actual judging criteria.
    Lip-synching that appears to be more 'nervous singing along' - (just mumbled mouth movements) negatively affects interpretation/presentation. (IMO)

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    I have used vocals for ISI competition but I chose the pieces because I could picture the moves that went with the music - the lyrics just happened to be there. I don't think lyrics per se are helpful, but allowing them widens your choices of music. I still think the music should dictate your movements not the lyrics.

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    There might be judges who don't mind it, but pretty much every judge I have spoken to hates it.

    The problem is that whilst a performer on stage will present the song to the audience, you will not get the full picture with the skater because of their movement around the ice. They are not always going to be able to face the judges. Or if they do face the judges, then the people on the other side of the rink (if the audience are on both sides) won't get it.

    Also for me personally, it is gimicking and does detract from the performance at hand. You should be able to convey the intent of the song through movement and skating.

    As for "putting aside" personal preferences, that is more about the type of music and what the skater does with it. For example I hate Mariah Carey and Celine Dion (yes that has to do with my personal music preference). But if a skater uses it well I will give them credit for it (as I have done when judging artistic). I can definitely put aside my personal preferences as I always do when juding. However at the end of the day lip-synching is just mouthing the words of a song. To me that has nothing to do with adding or enhancing the performance.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Im with Aussie Willy, on this one. To me lip synching is tacky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyWarhol View Post
    Im with Aussie Willy, on this one. To me lip synching is tacky.
    I wholeheartedly agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyWarhol View Post
    Im with Aussie Willy, on this one. To me lip synching is tacky.
    Unless it's a man in a frock doing either Diana Ross, Whitney Houston or Gloria Gaynor. That is all.
    I guess the hard thing for a lot of people to accept is why God would allow me to go running through their yards, yelling and spinning around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyWarhol View Post
    Im with Aussie Willy, on this one. To me lip synching is tacky.
    But again, one's personal opinion of whether it's "tacky" shouldn't be factored into the judging (obviously judging is never going to be completely objective and there are subjective factors that can influence one's perceptions, but judges should try their best to use the actual judging criteria as objectively as possible).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzisk8tr View Post
    Unless it's a man in a frock doing either Diana Ross, Whitney Houston or Gloria Gaynor. That is all.

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    Do you guys actually see a lot of people lip synching to vocal music while competing? I haven't seen that. Well, with the exception of Emmanuel Sandhu's program, which only included a second or so of "Oh".
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