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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    When I look at this thread, I see two kinds of responses downplaying the incident:

    1. Perceiving what happened as not serious or even humorous.

    2. Excusing what happened because of what preceded the altercation.

    And that's exactly why domestic violence isn't taken seriously and is extremely hard to prosecute, so well done everyone.



    'I don't think domestic violence is funny, but [a joke follows].' Yes, violence is a matter for the police and the courts.

    (Also, your internalised homophobia makes me sad.)



    Whatever preceded that incident doesn't make it acceptable, though.
    I'm far less concerned with how indifferent parties on an internet board are reacting to this and absolutely horrified by how the two men involved are dealing with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    When I look at this thread, I see two kinds of responses downplaying the incident:

    1. Perceiving what happened as not serious or even humorous.

    2. Excusing what happened because of what preceded the altercation.

    And that's exactly why domestic violence isn't taken seriously and is extremely hard to prosecute, so well done everyone.

    Whatever preceded that incident doesn't make it acceptable, though.
    I think a lot of people are saying it's NOT acceptable. There is something terribly wrong in the relationship if it devolves into violence. However, people are wary of automatically blaming the person who was arrested because...well, there are so many possibilities as to what happened. Victor could have been beating or threatening Johnny, and Johnny might have been defending himself. They might have physically attacked each other. We just don't know. What if there's a next time, and this time Johnny is the one who calls the police? Of course we don't want to blame the victim, but on the other hand, I don't know that you can automatically say one guy is the perpetrator and the other is innocent. It's just so complicated. What conclusion would you draw, Ziggy? That Johnny is a spousal abuser, period? Because I think a lot of us are saying we draw NO conclusions yet. We have very little to go on. It would be up to a court to weigh the statements and evidence, and they dismissed the case. It doesn't mean we're saying it didn't happen as Victor claims. We just don't know. To be very honest with you, when I first heard about this, my thought was: END IT. NOW. This is not a healthy relationship.

    This is an interesting take:
    http://www.thegloss.com/2014/03/05/s...olence-charges

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    When I look at this thread, I see two kinds of responses downplaying the incident:

    1. Perceiving what happened as not serious or even humorous.

    2. Excusing what happened because of what preceded the altercation.

    And that's exactly why domestic violence isn't taken seriously and is extremely hard to prosecute, so well done everyone.



    'I don't think domestic violence is funny, but [a joke follows].' Yes, violence is a matter for the police and the courts.

    (Also, your internalised homophobia makes me sad.)



    Whatever preceded that incident doesn't make it acceptable, though.
    Oh come on people. How can anything to do with Johnny Wier be taken seriously? This story has David Letterman written all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis View Post
    I don't think domestic violence is funny, but I do think this sounds like a total b*tchfight that reinforces just about every bad stereotype . Is this really a matter for the police and courts? Sounds more like two self-indulgent drama queens to me.
    This.

    Although if someone called the police, they should take it seriously. But tweeting to the entire world "asking for advice" about it when you're already a lawyer or making a show of the aftermath by saying sexist things doesn't scream that the two parties are taking it seriously. So why should I? Can't help people who refuse to help themselves.

    I do agree that it sounds like they were both involved. You can't bite someone unless they're already on you.

    I hope they're mature enough to figure it out without any more of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    Gay or not, domestic violence against men is not taken as seriously as domestic violence against women, and that's not an especially high bar.
    This a billion times.
    Sometimes people think biting is no big thing, but for someone to call law enforcement for biting I suspect it might be significant. We do not know what happened, but it is not unusual for a victim to ask for charges to be dropped. That does not mean the event/abuse did not happen.

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    Ever think this could be a publicity stunt to keep his name in the news?

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    Is the state they're in not one of those states where a domestic violence victim cannot drop the charges no matter what? I thought that was a universal thing in America.


    Oh, and just a thought for those saying that Victor dropping the charges proves it wasn't serious: how many woman have dropped charges "because it was an accident" or "he was drunk" or "it was my fault, I provoked him" and have later turned up dead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronniev View Post
    Ever think this could be a publicity stunt to keep his name in the news?
    no!

    It's book ending a very positive and high profile stint on nbc during the olys. This is a disaster pr wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    So it's not domestic violence unless somebody has a black eye? Or do they have to spend at least one day in hospital?
    Of course not. I do think a singular bite between two men trivializes domestic violence by classifying it as such. Overreaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronniev View Post
    Ever think this could be a publicity stunt to keep his name in the news?
    No.
    To elaborate, he's just had a successful run with NBC. He doesn't need a publicity stunt.
    Why people continue to think Johnny will do anything for publicity is beyond me, when Ashley and Adam were at the Oscars and Meryl and Charlie have been everywhere lately. Taking public gigs as they are offered is not always a bad thing, particularly if you have the talent, the wit, the personality to be on TV and people are interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justathoughtabl View Post
    . He has also tweeted--and deleted--a request for advice on what to do, which seemed really odd to do ask of his Twitter followers rather than his friends and family. Odd for a lawyer, too.
    Wasn't there some dispute over whether Voronov is actually a lawyer? I seem to recall reading something that said he had completed law school but had never taken the bar exam and/or never practiced law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    Wasn't there some dispute over whether Voronov is actually a lawyer? I seem to recall reading something that said he had completed law school but had never taken the bar exam and/or never practiced law.
    As of 2013, he is a lawyer.
    http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/atto...#search_result

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy void View Post
    Of course not. I do think a singular bite between two men trivializes domestic violence by classifying it as such. Overreaction.
    How abused does one need to be to claim domestic violence?

    Is one punch enough? Does it matter if I hit you in the face or on the back?
    What if the bite takes off, say, a portion of the ear?


    I just can't think of any situation where adults biting each other isn't abuse/assault. Though it may be in self-defense; but it would still be in an abuse/assault scenario.
    Last edited by Skittl1321; 03-05-2014 at 09:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justathoughtabl View Post
    I see that he is registered, but is he actually practicing?
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    I want to apologize for my flippant comment earlier in the thread. My semi-sober snarking went too far, and I certainly don't think that, if this is domestic abuse (assuming it is seems to do justice to both partners), it is snarkworthy.

    That being said, I'm skeptical that sanctimoniousness is any better than snarkiness when we're talking about complex cultural/social/sexual/legal/historical problems, and I will leave it at that.

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    There is absolutely nothing at all funny or trivial about domestic violence. Whether it occurs between a man and a woman, two women, or two men. Abuse is abuse. That being said, when looking into the facts and following Johnny's career and life up until now there are some things that are very disturbing about this. I don't think questioning some of the details and especially Victor means that I am victim-blaming or trivializing anything because there is definitely more than meets the eye here. I am not a Johnny apologist but I would hate for him to get labelled as a abuser and get a whole lot of negative publicity over this because many things are troubling.

    For one, Johnny has been the subject of a tv show and movie where cameras followed him around 24/7. He's had countless interviews and a million friends talk about him as a person. He's also extremely honest and usually talks about things he does good and bad and is very up front about his flaws. Not once since he stepped into the public eye as a teenager has he ever been talked about by friends, coaches, peers or himself as a violent person or someone possessing any desire to hurt anyone or having a habit of lashing out.

    Looking into his husband Victor Voronov reveals a police record for battery, theft, and DUI... all when he lived in Atlanta. It is his arrest for battery that most concerns me. Victor has a shady past and everything that can be gleaned publicly from his personality suggests that he possesses quite a dark side. Johnny has made comments in fan meetings to the effect of Victor always wants to go where he goes, and Victor likes to sit in on his work whether it's at the rink or at his agent's office. Many candid photographs of them in public show Victor watching Johnny or not far from his side when in social situations. Johnny has made comments in interviews about cutting/styling his hair a certain way or wearing/not wearing a certain thing because Victor wanted it. Simply making this police report public over twitter is disturbing and suspicious enough on Victor's part however, his tweets (and deletes) during the time Johnny was in Russia have been downright manipulative. He's tweeted himself half-naked, showing Johnny's name tattooed under his arm, several strange statements and even a tweet "good thing the videos weren't leaked" which sounded very much like a threat. He deleted all of these and claimed in a half-ass way that he was hacked.

    In 2013 gay porn producer Michael Lucas harangued Johnny for continuing to support Russia and not boycotting the Olympics. Victor took serious exception to this and sent Lucas a series of disturbing and threatening private messages which Lucas sent to a website and made public. The messages tell him to stop saying anything negative about Johnny and threaten him with making his life miserable if he doesn't. In one message Victor tells Lucas "I am the LAST person you want to mess with. Trust me on this." I have been so disturbed ever since I read these messages and have wondered just what the hell Johnny has gotten himself into with this man.

    Another thing that disturbs me is the horrible markings on Johnny's body in many recent pictures. Just browsing the past year on his Instagram reveals many deep purple and red blotches on and around his neck and chest in his personal photos. There is one picture with a very obvious deep bite mark on his chest and the posters on Instagram all commented. Hickeys and love marks are one thing but these huge purple splotches are worrisome. Physically the two are very different. Johnny may be a slight bit taller but he is much lighter and leaner. Victor is ripped... complete solid muscle and has mentioned that he has had marital arts training in the past. You don't just go up to someone and bite them. It occurs in the heat of a mutual struggle. What had to have been going on between them for that to happen? It suggests that Johnny was being held or restrained. No, this doesn't make it right but the fact that everything is all nicey nice between them again after Victor went to the trouble to involve police, file a report, and make this public is extremely worrisome. I know Johnny is a colourful character but anyone who has watched his movie or show knows that he has a different private side to him. I do worry about him and I can't help believing that he married a very jealous, possessive, and manipulative man who I pray does not turn out to be dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    I just can't think of any situation where adults biting each other isn't abuse/assault.
    Lots of adults bite each other as part of sex play, actually. Not that I think that is what is going on here but biting isn't always about abuse.
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    Most of these things have occurred to me, sunny_sari, in turning the various possibilities over in my mind. Victor does strike me as very manipulative, and yes, those threats against Michael Lucas were disturbing. Lucas is no prize, but it was plain stupid to post threats like that.

    I will agree that in the movie and TV show, Johnny never gave the impression of being violent. At most, he could be cold, aloof, and bitchy. When he got pissed off at Priscilla Hill in the documentary, he stormed out. That seems to be his MO when he gets upset...to walk away from the conflict rather than address it. He has also been faced with antagonism time and again (from Lucas and so many others) and has either ignored it or maybe said something stupid (like calling protesters "idiots") but has never said anything belligerent about it. Then again, we don't know him and can only speculate from what we've seen.

    But I must ask, does Victor really have a record for battery and theft? The DUI I knew about, but the other two? Where is the evidence for this? Agreed that Victor (though he appears to be small) is very muscular, but the markings on Johnny's body? They always looked like hickeys to me, with the exception of one time when there was a bruise on his forehead, which he attributed to an "unfortunate packing accident," and one could imagine a suitcase fell on him when he tried to put it up on a shelf.

    I've never found Victor watching Johnny creepy-- I thought it was sweet. I did think he seemed rather possessive...Johnny said Victor liked to socialize with him all the time, while Johnny sometimes just wanted to go out with his girlfriends. Johnny (writing in his column) blamed himself, saying he needed to learn to compromise. On the one hand I can understand how Victor would be upset when Johnny goes off to China or Russia for 3 weeks, and slightly possessive behavior doesn't necessarily mean anything more sinister; on the other hand, Victor's tweets have been downright weird lately.

    This is all speculation, though, and again, we can't know what happened on the night Johnny was arrested. I'll say again we really know nothing.

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    was Johnny arrested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by judiz View Post
    was Johnny arrested?
    I believe the thing Victor tweeted said Johnny had been arrested.

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