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    I feel he would have become part of one of those boring Usova/Zhulin type of couples
    Look at their FD from 1993 and say if you really think it's boring.

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    Or any program prior to 1994.

    There's more to having a successful partnership than being an excellent skater. You can have two outstanding skaters, but the partnerships may never work out due to different ideas in training, discipline, and how their dynamic functioned.

    I think Grishuk was the stronger of the two in terms of the blade, but she would not have have succeeded without Platov due to a variety of issues. She knew she needed the stability he brought. He also had the ability to really present her well and brought a more refined line and carriage that Grishuk would not have had without him or a similar partner. Although I will say that I really did love the chemistry Grishuk had with Zhulin. Their routines were pretty hot and I thought their body-types matched more. However, would she have had the same results with Zhulin as she had with Platov? Who knows. We do know that Platov was essential to the success of their partnership.
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    It is all spelled out in this, including the reenactments. You don't need to know more.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w227JiWLImM
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittyhawk View Post
    I once read a translated interview with Platov's ex-wife Maria. It's been some time since I last read it, but IIRC, she never said Grishuk was the cause of their marriage's breakup. More like different life/career goals. I mean, his ex-wife was an actress based in Russia, while his skating career at the time meant training and doing shows in the US. Maria was actually quite complimentary of Grishuk as a skater.

    I think that G/P spurred each other on and were stronger together than apart. While Grishuk may have encouraged him to fight on, there were certainly times when she was difficult to deal with. He has said in an interview that there were days when he and Tarasova would go to Grishuk’s house, bringing gifts/flowers to sort of ‘woo’ her into a better frame of mind for training. As for who the better skater was, I thought they were about equal until his injuries and subsequent surgeries. After that, Oksana was understandably better than him.

    IMO, K/O and G/P’s friendship became strained because both pairs were aiming for gold. Today, Krylova and Platov both coach ice dance teams and are cordial towards each other.

    I prefer G/P over U/P. I think the former has more spark. Everything I've read about the dissolution of G/P's partnership, gives me the impression of "he said, she said". The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Whatever G/P’s differences, they seem to have patched them up. They’ve skated together a few times in 2006, when they participated in the Russian version of Dancing On Ice.
    I have read (admittedly in some rubbish gossip magazine) that around 1992 Platov asked Grishuk to live with him as 'husband and wife' despite having a fiancé at the time, but she turned him down because she was in love with Zhulin (*vomit smiley*). Grishuk I believe has suggested in later interviews that Platov came on to her more than once, but she never fancied him. Marina could have probably moved to the US as she later did to be with Ilya Kulik(!) The fact that she didn't move to the US for Platov indicated to me that their marriage was already on the rocks.

    The more shocking discovery was that Usova said in an interview that Platov wanted more than friendship from her and that she turned him down as well!! (What is wrong with all these women?! ) When Platov was asked about it in an interview, he didn't really deny it (all he said was that some things should remain private and that Usova should not have opened up about it or something similar).

    The 2006 reunion between Grishuk and Platov was beautiful, but very sad at the same time. They were both overweight (he in particular) and no longer as fast as they used to be. They could have made a fortune if they stayed together in 1998!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    It is all spelled out in this, including the reenactments. You don't need to know more.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w227JiWLImM
    Haha! I've seen this before, but it doesn't really say anymore than has always been in the public domain. Plus, Grishuk and Zhulin's romance was quite short-lived because he started an affair with Navka very soon after Grishuk was kicked out by Dubova. Here is another video about the whole saga... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9iGnlrz5Us

    I never liked Usova and her whole 'victim' image. Look at Katya Gordeeva - she suffered a REAL tragedy and could have completely fallen apart, but she turned out to be an incredibly strong woman. Usova should really get over her ex-husband cheating on her 20 years ago and not go on and on and on about it in every interview she gives. She even once said that she should have teamed up with Platov before the 1994 Olympics and they would have won... I doubt that somehow.

    I never liked Usova & Zhulin. They were good skaters, but they didn't do anything other people hadn't done many times before. There was nothing memorable about them. The only reason people remember them as a couple is because their involvement in the Grishuk & Platov saga. I thought Grishuk was OK with Zhulin (better than Platov with Usova) but Zhulin was a much weaker partner than Platov, so Grishuk couldn't skate as fast as she wanted to with him. Plus he was not nearly as attractive as Platov.
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    I always thought Zhulin was easy in the eyes back in the day, not that I would know. I saw him in the kiss & cry area a few times in Sochi. Now he looks like Don Rickles.

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    Speaking of K&O vs. G&P wasn't there this rumor that once Angelika went psycho and had a meltdown at a competition about Pasha and started kicking the boards and had to be physically restrained? I do remember hearing about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Fever View Post
    I always thought Zhulin was easy in the eyes back in the day, not that I would know. I saw him in the kiss & cry area a few times in Sochi. Now he looks like Don Rickles.
    Don Rickles!?! I'll never look at Zhulin the same again.

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    I have always liked Platov and the two of them together were a good team, but I always go back to Grishuk with her other partner, Alexander Chekhov (sp?). I really adored that team and thought they would have gone far together considering how good they were compared to any other junior teams. When I saw her again a few years after jr worlds and she had linked up with Platov it took me a very long time to enjoy them.

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    Oksana's former partner's name is Chickov. Ironically, Platov and Grishuk and Chickov and Platov's former partner Krikanova are all from Odessa, Ukraine.

    Grishuk & Chickov were pretty good but they were very much Linichuk skaters in that they were extremely aggressive, fast, and sharp skaters albeit moderately sloppy IMO relative to skaters from the Dubova camp. Platov was definitely more of a Dubova skater as he was much more about deep edging, free leg extension, and superlative neck & shoulder posture/line. I think Grishuk and Platov definitely learned from each other over the years and helped each other improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xela M View Post
    Usova should really get over her ex-husband cheating on her 20 years ago and not go on and on and on about it in every interview she gives.
    Do you realize how that statement sounds? Marital infidelity can cause scars that last a lifetime. Should Nancy Kerrigan just "get over" what happened to her too?? Perhaps Usova shouldn't talk about the matter in every interview, but if she's still devastated, it's hard to blame her for that.

    I hadn't heard that Platov indecently propositioned both Grishuk and Usova. If true, then that's pretty scary.

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    [QUOTE=gk_891;4192711

    Grishuk & Chickov were pretty good but they were very much Linichuk skaters in that they were extremely aggressive, fast, and sharp skaters albeit moderately sloppy Ider posture/line.

    Sounds just like Bobrova/Soloviev
    I love Smooth Operator Unbreak my heart and Enigma
    An Enigma tYpe programme could be interesting for B/S

    Absolutely nothing though beats You'll See ex Pasha's the real diva here

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    I don't think Bobrova/Soloviev are even in the same league as Grishuk/Platov were. Bobrova isn't a good skater in my books. I liked "You'll See", but my favourite performance was "Libertango". It was just hot hot hot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by neptune View Post
    Do you realize how that statement sounds? Marital infidelity can cause scars that last a lifetime. Should Nancy Kerrigan just "get over" what happened to her too?? Perhaps Usova shouldn't talk about the matter in every interview, but if she's still devastated, it's hard to blame her for that.

    I hadn't heard that Platov indecently propositioned both Grishuk and Usova. If true, then that's pretty scary.
    I know Usova must have been distraught by the whole situation at the time, but it is now over 20 years ago! She can't act the victim all her life.

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    Has she been acting like the victim recently?

    I like this thread. It's like a relic of the height of the Pasha Brigade threads calling Usova "old wench". We just need Esta to start posting now.
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    Oh, good ole' times with all that hyperintense drama, slapping, wife swapping, going mad and kicking the boards! Why is the world of ice dance so sterile nowadays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Has she been acting like the victim recently?

    I like this thread. It's like a relic of the height of the Pasha Brigade threads calling Usova "old wench". We just need Esta to start posting now.
    Haha she has always come across as an old wench, which is why I was so disappointed with Platov dumping Grishuk for Usova. I have read a fairly recent-ish interview with Usova where she complained about the Russian version of 'Dancing on Ice' because Grishuk had a younger partner, so she won, whereas Usova's partner was much older which made her look riduculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canbelto View Post
    Speaking of K&O vs. G&P wasn't there this rumor that once Angelika went psycho and had a meltdown at a competition about Pasha and started kicking the boards and had to be physically restrained? I do remember hearing about that.
    I remember this too! From best friends the two couples turned into mortal enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sequins View Post
    Don Rickles!?! I'll never look at Zhulin the same again.
    I love this description of Zhulin!!! Although I never understood why he was the Don Juan of the figure skating world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xela M View Post
    I remember this too! From best friends the two couples turned into mortal enemies.
    Sounds like Pasha causes all kinds of problems for other skaters.
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