I'm not discounting medals won in the new team competition, but I still have to LMAO at people who are referring to people as "Olympic gold medalists" based on the team competition. It's not the same thing, yet you're treating it as such. At least make the distinction.These are the 2 ladies that are projected to dominate the next 4 years, and they're already there with the scores in every way possible and both have an OGM with plenty of room to grow. There are at least 4 Russians with the talent to match them at some point soon, I'd say Gracie and Polina from the US, maybe Satako or a couple others from around the World.. I see a triple axel in the near future by a new lady.
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In the context of this discussion, that user mentioned Olympic gold specifically as a means to reinforce the stature of the 2 Russian's skating careers, but no one in their right mind would say that Julia's gold and Adelina's gold are the same. Julia has a team gold and Adelina has an individual gold. Would anyone say that Julia's career trumps Kwan's at the Olympics because "she has an Olympic gold medal" and Kwan doesn't? Not making that distinction is both misleading to newer fans and even unfair to older skaters who competed before the team competition was created. I mean, this is a skating forum where people dissect skaters' careers and hardware down to the most minute detail.
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Julia skated two clean programs in the team event. If she had done the same in the individual and Adelina wasn't the only Russian skating well, her scores would have been higher than in the team event. I'm willing to bet her scores would have been comparable to Adelina and she would've been at least 2nd.
As for the GOE comment, you really think after these Olympic results and scores that Adelina and Lipnitskaya will score much lower? Everyone else is retiring and its very possible the pcs and GOE for these two will probably get even higher. These Olympic scores will be justification, they will both only grow artistically over time.
Anyways I'm not posting what i predict and think for the sake of arguing, I just think we will see a triple axel soon.
I think if Julia had done really well in the individual event w/ scores similar to the team event, we may have seen Adelina w/ an edge call on the lutz, UR call on the 3toe, and lower PCS
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Personally, while her programs are really bland to me, I don't see Gracie as any inferior to Adelina or Yulia (who she's already beaten at the Olympics despite Yulia's massive inflation in the individual). Frankly if clean, I see her "overtaking" them as soon as the upcoming Worlds. I do hope she has programs that better showcase her personality though - she doesn't really seem to sincerely get into/feel her current programs.
Gracie may get pushed domestically too with Polina's more demanding jumps and musicality. I wonder if Gracie
would go back to trying a 3f - 3sal seq. or a Rippon Lutz to compete w/ her
I was really impressed with Gracie's ability to cope at the Olympics. First the top of her costume came undone in the Team FS. Then Frank went missing with a huge nose bleed , returning at the last minute before she took the ice for the SP. It is not surprising she was a bit tight in that SP. Yes, she fell on the flip in the individual FS, but that's a jump where she is trying to fix her technique to avoid an edge call, and that effort often leads to falls at first.
I hope she gets really great programs next year.
Someone said on a thread somewhere that Gracie just bugs the $hit out of them..................well, me too.
Don't know what it is....it think I just find her inauthentic. Lipinski, Sotnikova, Baiul, (even) Hughes....grabbed that Olympic moment with guts, gusto and authentic joy. Gracie, not so much.
Now, having said that, I have been very impressed with the changes that team Gold made with the move to Frank.
I, actually, don't think she has to do a whole heck of a lot to stay / be on top. Edmonds may outskate her (eventually). But, I think that is about it from the USA - if Gracie can continue to put together two clean programs. I love Ashley Wagner, but she is going to really have to fix her technical performance.
Adelina needs to prove herself, and be consistent. Julia, if she has two programs like she did this year, will, I think beat a clean Gracie. Other than that, it is kind of it.
DH - and that's just my opinion
If more did it, and more landed it, and more coaches knew how to train it - then more would attempt it and more would succeed.
The ladies fields stagnates technically so much more than the men, unfortunately- which IMO make them less exciting. A 3T/3T has become standard for the top skaters, with other triple/triples such as 3L/3T being less common.
And Miki Ando is proof that women can land quads, too.