Yes or No?
Yes or No?
No, how could it when it is was a bogus and corrupt result to begin with. If anything the result should show medals and titles are the last things that determine who is the best ever anyway. Many consider Ito and Lynn the two best ever, and they have 1 world title between them. Titles and medals in this sport are determined by corruption, politics, and luck, not by ability. Sotnikova's farce Olympic Gold over three way better performances is one of the biggest proofs of that.
What in the world is the GOAT?
We will never come to a consensus on who is the GOAT anyway. Although I'm sure in South Korea there is no question
But to be fair, Kim should have won fair and square.........
If "GOAT" is based on titles, then no. There are others with better records.
"I hit him with my shoes... if he had given me the medal like I told him to, I wouldn't have had to hit him!" -- 8-year-old Rhoda Penmark in "The Bad Seed"
Even with two OGM, she would be a little short on world, continental, and probably even national titles.
1. Sonja Henie
2. Katarina Witt
3. Herma Planck Szabo
4. Sjouke Dijkstra
5. Carol Heiss
So best ever has obviously never been based upon medal and title count to begin with. I wonder how many people have more than maybe 1 of those in their top 5, maybe 3%? I dont even think Yu Na Kim is the best ever either, but it has nothing to do with whether the judges had given her a 2nd OGM or not. Most people who thought of her as the best ever would still do so whether she won here or not, and those who dont like me wouldnt change if she had won either. Almost no opinions would change based on this result, especialy such a preposterous and controversy filled one to begin with which only goes to emphasize even more exactly why medals and titles never determine most peoples choices as who is best.
Olympic gold doesn't define a career.
The whole concept of greatest of all time across more than 100 years of skating is totally bogus to begin with. Why are people always wanting validation for one skater or another by trying to lay claim to this entirely incalculable and worthless title?
There's no such thing as GOAT. This obsession with it simplifies the sport, IMO, and totally demeans the achievements of past skaters who aren't as known by contemporary fans or by fans who refuse to acknowledge the context of every skater and his/her abilities. Often times, the best skaters benefitted from the advancements made by the previous generation not to mention benefitting from luck/timing with decisions and rule changes made by the ISU.
Last edited by VIETgrlTerifa; 02-26-2014 at 06:32 AM.
"Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility." - Ambrose Bierce
Mao bombed the shit out of her SP.
Mao had a great skate in the free, but she bombed the short. If only one of the other vets or Adelina stumbled, she would have made the podium, except the cheaters conspired to place Julia's horrible performances ahead of her.
Everyone knows the real order should have been:
1. Yuna Kim (Gold)
2. Carolina Kostner (Silver)
3. Adelina Sotnikova (Bronze)
4. Mao Asada
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For me, she is already one of the greatest of all time. It can't be based only on titles. She is, IMHO, already a better skater than Katarina Witt.
Anyway, is it really important ?