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    That line from the Slate article summed it up perfectly for me. I think the situation between Sot and Kim is even comparable to Tara vs. Michelle in 1998, except that Michelle, while skating a programme that wasn't as rousing as Tara's, wasn't nearly half as clinical as Kim. Michelle was also at that time at the height of her artistry, or nearing it, while Kim's artistry has become boring and stale to me.

    And death threats against a, what, 16 or 17-year-old? Disgusting. I wouldn't pay any mind to those foaming at the mouth about conspiracy theories and what not, though; I'd bet most are what we call Yunabots (the majority are Korean), who all seem to descend en masse upon us poor regular FS fans when it's been perceived that the goddess or cult figure has been blasphemed even in the slightest. Scary; I'd treat them in the same manner I would any rabid member of a cult.

    Also, a good point has been brought up about the +3s for Kim's second lutz in the long - I thought that landing was imperfect the first time I saw it, and yet where's the outrage for that bit of overscoring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrinalini View Post
    That line from the Slate article summed it up perfectly for me. I think the situation between Sot and Kim is even comparable to Tara vs. Michelle in 1998, except that Michelle, while skating a programme that wasn't as rousing as Tara's, wasn't nearly half as clinical as Kim.
    That's a reasonable comparison.

    I wouldn't pay any mind to those foaming at the mouth about conspiracy theories and what not, though; I'd bet most are what we call Yunabots (the majority are Korean), who all seem to descend en masse upon us poor regular FS fans when it's been perceived that the goddess or cult figure has been blasphemed even in the slightest. Scary; I'd treat them in the same manner I would any rabid member of a cult.
    I agree, but the thing is, the same thing was going on with fans of ice dance. It seems that a whole lot of people are foaming at the mouth. I was rooting for D&W, and even I can agree that they were somewhat overmarked, but all the talk of deals and fixes is just too for me. They are reigning world champs who haven't been defeated in 2 years. I mean, overmarking is almost expected.

    Also, a good point has been brought up about the +3s for Kim's second lutz in the long - I thought that landing was imperfect the first time I saw it, and yet where's the outrage for that bit of overscoring?
    This is kind of funny. Before seeing her performance, I read about Yuna's mistake on her second lutz, and that some in the audience were even clapping for it. Then I went into the protocols and said ?

    In the end, there's nothing inherently wrong with "nit-picking" a skater's performance, as long as you apply the same standard to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canbelto View Post
    Adelina's Instagram page has been filled with death threats and name calling. It's awful.
    Some people are just disgusting

    do you have a link?

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    Look up Adelina Soklinova Instagram. Have a strong stomach.

    http://instagram.com/adelinasotnikova
    Last edited by canbelto; 02-22-2014 at 05:21 AM.

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    There were even comments about wanting to kill her parents

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    There were even comments about wanting to kill her parents
    That is just absolutely horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canbelto View Post
    Adelina's Instagram page has been filled with death threats and name calling. It's awful.
    That is seriously f-ed up. What is wrong with people. Kids? (Not that that's an excuse)

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    The petition for an investigation into the judging:
    https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitio...sochi-olympics

    1.85 million have signed already.

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    Now Korean media/net people are blaming Adelina for leaving the press conference during Kim was talking.(Skaters are allowed to leave press conference after their turns have finished because of the insane schedule of this Olympics. So did Adelina. Even Carolina left during Kim was talking.)

    (my rough translation of the Korean article's title)
    Sotonikova's bad manner issue: Where is the sportsmanship? "Her skating ability and even manner are those of loser's," said net people.
    http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?...aid=0002468517

    This is the hot issue there now. *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by canbelto View Post
    Look up Adelina Soklinova Instagram. Have a strong stomach.

    http://instagram.com/adelinasotnikova
    Where are the comments? I just see a wall of pictures. Never used Instagram before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozy View Post
    Where are the comments? I just see a wall of pictures. Never used Instagram before.
    click on the pictures to enlarge them. comments are on the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    (my rough translation of the Korean article's title)
    Sotonikova's bad manner issue: Where is the sportsmanship? "Her skating ability and even manner are those of loser's," said net people.
    http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?...aid=0002468517
    That's impressive if you know Korean.

    In order for it to be really bad manners, the person has to realize that. Anyway, why would she have any reason to be ungracious to Kim??? It doesn't make much sense. Besides, she's only 17. And is there any etiquette here that she would be expected to know about? When I was 17, I can think of something I did that might have come across as bad manners, but I didn't have a clue. I was just too young to know any better--it was definitely not intentional.

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    Especially when what Adelina did is common practice during press conference

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    On her Facebook Yuna fans are telling Adelina to go kill herself.

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    TAT should punch those trolls with her gorgeous rings!

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    This is my last post in this thread as I am not an Adelina fan at this point, but the fact those of you who are seem to be implying that it is only Yu Na fans who are upset about this result shows what incredibly stupid morons you must be. There is a huge outcry around the world about this result and if that were based on Yu Na fanaticsm strictly than Yu Na would have to be the most popular skater ever, which she of course isnt. She doesnt even scrape the surface of worldwide popularity of Michelle Kwan or Katarina Witt, even if she is up there with them in skating greatness. There are many skaters besides Yu Na anyway who were victimized by the fixed and bought win for Sotnikova- Kostner, Asada in the long program, others even if they didnt deserve to beat her but never had a hope anyway of a medal with the fixed scores and medals of Sotnikova and Julia (had she stayed on her feet gold or silver was certain). I am not a fan of any of the current women besides Osmond, Li, and to some degree Kostner, and long for the days of Cohen and Kwan and Slutskaya, but even I could see what happened not only in the ladies event but the entire Figure Skating event. They could have just not held it and given everyone out there medals. So continue thinking it is only Yu Na fanaticsm and continue living in a fantasy world.

    It is pretty simple. Sotnikova in no way deserved anything more than a bronze medal or more than 4th in the long program and had the Games been held anywhere else there is 0% chance she would have gotten more than that. If there was a machine invented to make the Games anywhere else I am sure nobody here would be willing to bet there life on her placing higher than that if they were forced to choose her doing better than that or getting those exact placings. Her win was part of an entire Russian fix of this skating competition and people will never be ok with that. It has nothing to do with who is a fan of such and such skater. That means nothing. People arent just going to accept a rigged competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuzytalent View Post
    It has nothing to do with who is a fan of such and such skater. That means nothing. People arent just going to accept a rigged competition.
    People can make this point without being nasty and threatening though. If you are trying to excuse that kind of behavior, I'm sorry but no cause is worth sending death threats to a 17 year old girl over.

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    ^No one is trying to excuse that type of behavior. There are many of us who are voicing our concerns (in a reasonable manner, IMO) over what happened in the ladies FS, and not all of us should be automatically lumped together with the more zealous, nationalistic Kim fans, and our argument discredited.

    I do hope her uberfans would stop the attacks on Sotnikova because 1) she's not responsible for the judging, and 2) it's not doing any wonders for their credibility or stance.
    Last edited by eternitygoddess; 02-22-2014 at 07:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    TAT should punch those trolls with her gorgeous rings!
    I want to see TAT's gorgeous rings!
    "Nature is a damp, inconvenient sort of place where birds and animals wander about uncooked."

    from Speedy Death

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    Now Korean media/net people are blaming Adelina for leaving the press conference during Kim was talking.(Skaters are allowed to leave press conference after their turns have finished because of the insane schedule of this Olympics. So did Adelina. Even Carolina left during Kim was talking.)

    (my rough translation of the Korean article's title)
    Sotonikova's bad manner issue: Where is the sportsmanship? "Her skating ability and even manner are those of loser's," said net people.
    http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?...aid=0002468517

    This is the hot issue there now. *shrug*
    Wait was this yesterday in the mixed zone where athletes give interviews after getting their medals in the medals plaza? If so, the Korean media is making a big fuss about nothing.

    The medalists stand individually and different media members come to them to ask questions and some translator volunteers are there to translate in case they don't speak English or need some help. If Adelina left early (which she did because she came out first), it's because she was done. She didnt have to wait for Yuna because Yuna was probably still giving her interviews to the press by herself. Why would Adelina stay and listen to Yuna talk in a language that she doesn't even understand and when they're giving interviews separately? Plus Adelina seemed to be in a rush to go somewhere because she was running the whole time and didn't give any autographs. Also, other medalists for other events have done the same thing. It wasn't just Adelina.

    I guess there's a reason why you can't trust everything the media says. I don't agree with the results either, but this is ridiculous as someone who actually knows how the system works and has seen it with my own two eyes.

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