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    It seems like he has been going to the Cricket Club for Jeff/David Wilson choreographing his programs. I thought I had read that part? of the reason he didn't choose to skate there was because of Osborne Colson who I believe was no longer affiliated with it and left under not the best of circumstances. I certainly don't know anything about Toronto skating politics. I agree - "Mr. triple axel" would be a wonderful addition - even if it was just part time or for the summer. I saw him land some beauties in Ottawa at Canadians in the warm up and in the long - but it is certainly not his go to jump. I do appreciate the fact that he has chosen his coach, believes in her, and his federation appears to respect their athletes enough to support their choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    I watched him again last night when it was replayed on CBC and it was worse than I remembered. He was really rushing though everything...the circular footwork didn't look that great at all and it was he was having trouble keeping up with the music.
    I watched his SP & LP again today, with a friend who is borderline FS fan. She was not familiar with any of the new skaters, including Patrick (although he is not new to skating fans), mainly because she does not have cable and has to make great efforts to watch the programs. She does watch about once a year or once every 2 years. I respect her observations, because she has a fresh eye and is able to notice something that I may have missed. She loved his SP; said he was flying across the ice, and it was beautiful. While watching the LP though, she said toward the end (when the music becomes faster) - he is not keeping up with the music, and the program did not really go UP at the end. I know that normally he does it well, but quite possibly, with the pressure of the Olympics perhaps he did not skate as well as he normally does (not talking of the jumps here; just the skating and musical interpretation). Neither did Yuzuru actually. It was so close; if not for the SP differential, this was really anyone's gold- Patrick's or Yuzuru's. Patrick was very gracious in both the K&C and on the 'flower podium'. He managed a smile when he must have been clearly hurting.

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    This Chiddy Biddy is very proud our our Patrick. He went out and did as best he could in the circumstance that were difficult at best. Silver may not be the colour he (and the Canadian Skating Community) were hoping for, but he is now a two-time silver Olympic Medalist.

    Congrats, Patrick!! I'm very proud of you. This Chiddy Biddy will ALWAYS cheer for you. You are, quite simply, the best at what you do regardless of the colour of your Olympic meda

    Lots of hugs and air kisses to you!

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    I think when Patrick made those first two mistakes the wheels started turning and he got cautious, not wanting to give away more points which backfired. As soon as you think "Don't do X", you do it. As Brian Boitano advised Michelle Kwan in 1997, "Don't think 'don't''".

    I've had the pleasure of seeing him skate live. I think those who bash him overlook his pure quality. The speed he skates with is incredible and he's so smooth and fluid with deep edges. I could watch him with no jumps just skating around to music, stroking around using his edges, he'd still be mesmerizing.

    Let's look at the most famous Canadian Men who never won the OGM:
    Brian Orser: 1984- too far back after compulsories. Would have won gold if not for that. 1988-- Battle of the Brians, need I say more?
    Kurt Browning: 1992- Back injury and pressure. 1994- Maybe the ghost of 1992, bad short program. Out of the medals
    Elvis Stojko: 1994- Judges didn't like his style. 1998- Groin injury (though hard to say if he would have beaten Kulik even w/o that). Not a contender in 2002
    Jeff Buttle: Not a favourite for gold.\
    Patrick Chan: I don't think he was favoured for gold in 2010. 2014: Reasons we've all discussed. Pressure he puts on himself and the hype from the media.

    Maybe a Canadian man will win the OGM when everyone stops assuming it will happen and decide que sera, sera.

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    Congrats on your silver medals Patrick, you made Canada proud :-)

    It took me awhile to get my thoughts sorted on my blog, 'Thank you Patrick Chan': http://princessbeanysmiles.wordpress...-patrick-chan/

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    I was pleasantly surprised that NBC featured him in a nice fluff piece and interviewed him on camera after his Free Program last night. Patrick has been a wonderful role model and representative of Canada for quite some time now. He makes me proud to be Chinese Canadian. Thank you for all your sacrifices and gorgeous skating, Patrick. You're a national treasure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coppertop1 View Post
    I think when Patrick made those first two mistakes the wheels started turning and he got cautious, not wanting to give away more points which backfired. As soon as you think "Don't do X", you do it. As Brian Boitano advised Michelle Kwan in 1997, "Don't think 'don't''".

    I've had the pleasure of seeing him skate live. I think those who bash him overlook his pure quality. The speed he skates with is incredible and he's so smooth and fluid with deep edges. I could watch him with no jumps just skating around to music, stroking around using his edges, he'd still be mesmerizing.

    Let's look at the most famous Canadian Men who never won the OGM:
    Brian Orser: 1984- too far back after compulsories. Would have won gold if not for that. 1988-- Battle of the Brians, need I say more?
    Kurt Browning: 1992- Back injury and pressure. 1994- Maybe the ghost of 1992, bad short program. Out of the medals
    Elvis Stojko: 1994- Judges didn't like his style. 1998- Groin injury (though hard to say if he would have beaten Kulik even w/o that). Not a contender in 2002
    Jeff Buttle: Not a favourite for gold.\
    Patrick Chan: I don't think he was favoured for gold in 2010. 2014: Reasons we've all discussed. Pressure he puts on himself and the hype from the media.

    Maybe a Canadian man will win the OGM when everyone stops assuming it will happen and decide que sera, sera.
    Good summary. Somewhat OT: The only one I disagree with is Elvis Stojko. It wasn't just about the judges not liking his style; he made a major mistake (popped 3A into 1A, then skipped the quad which took away his tech advantage). Chan had the PCS advantage, and could afford one mistake, but not three, so he came up short on the TES. He did get higher PCS. I think the SP probably cost him the gold in the end. Even though he lost the LP by just 0.5 (approx) points, if he had the lead in the SP, he might have felt less pressure in the LP, and could have had a cleaner (though not perfect) skate, enough to edge out Hanyu.

    I saw him skate live in 2009 (worlds) and thought he had great potential. Haven't seen him skate live since, but I know that he will go down in history as one of the best pure skaters ever. He was an overwhelming favorite for the OGM this time- even more than Orser in 88 and Browning in 92, so this was a much bigger shock.

    I agree with your last sentence.
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    I thought Patrick's statement that he now has "a weight lifted off his shoulders" spoke volumes. He indicates a sense of huge relief now that his OG are over. He wasn't fully committed to these games in his heart.

    IMO Patrick is not a skater who loves to compete. I don't think he really wanted this OG from the innermost core of his being. He felt that he 'could' do it and and 'should do it', and focused on that too early in the season, leading him perhaps to peak at TEB.

    I feel very let down, because I watched Patrick's rise as a skater and saw him deliver some amazing performances, including his 08 victory over Buttle at Nationals and his amazing FS at FCCs in 2009. I wanted Patrick deliver more at these Olympics, so was hugely disappointed. It just seemed the past few seasons that his heart was not in it. And the placement of a skater within Olympics cycles is a factor here, aso Patrick didn't hit the cycle at the right time.

    Nonetheless, I felt really let down after his skate. Disappointed even angry - so much build-up and such a disappointing anti-climax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Japanfan View Post
    Nonetheless, I felt really let down after his skate. Disappointed even angry - so much build-up and such a disappointing anti-climax.
    Me too, and I'm not even a huge fan of his. I think I'm mostly just peeved that such a poor FS won the OGM. I wouldn't like to be a big Chan fan right now because no matter how you look at it, he choked when it counted most. It wouldn't even be so bad if Hanyu had delivered a flawless LP and then the pressure would have been on Chan to be even better, but in fact the opposite scenario happened.

    I don't know how on earth anyone can say Patrick did his best in the FS - I re-watched it and it's even worse than I remember. It's without doubt one of his worst performances ever even without any falls. No fight, and he seemed to be lost throughout the whole thing - I've seen multiple performances from Chan wherein his butt met the ice with great regularity and those were light years ahead of this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusboutBlack View Post
    Congrats on your silver medals Patrick, you made Canada proud :-)
    It took me awhile to get my thoughts sorted on my blog, 'Thank you Patrick Chan': http://princessbeanysmiles.wordpress...-patrick-chan/
    Thanks SiriusboutBlack for your write up on Patrick. That's very sweet and I am sure Patrick will appreciate your kindness. I hope Patrick will pass on his skating skills to the next generation and some day Canada will find another Kurt or Patrick Junior with these wonderful skating skills together with the ability to jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunhead View Post
    He made some uncharacteristic small errors that added up to cost him big. So 0.5 separated Gold from Silver???? I think he would be fired up to go to Worlds for a re-match!

    He could pull a Yuna or Plushenko and try for another Olympic medal but he'll be 4 years older....well just ask Dai how easy it has been to keep up with the young guns this quad. Sigh. I guess some things aren't meant to be. As beloved and decorated as Michelle Kwan was, even she doesn't have the Olympic medals that Patrick have at one Games. Hopefully with some time and perspective, he can appreciate everything he has accomplished in his relatively short career.
    That would have been very difficult for Michelle to do considering there was no team event in 98 or 02.


    I would have loved to have seen Patrick win the event. After Hanyru skated and PC landed his first combo, I thought that he had it. I wish him well in whatever he decides to do. His skating speaks for itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Japanfan View Post
    I thought Patrick's statement that he now has "a weight lifted off his shoulders" spoke volumes. He indicates a sense of huge relief now that his OG are over. He wasn't fully committed to these games in his heart.

    IMO Patrick is not a skater who loves to compete. I don't think he really wanted this OG from the innermost core of his being. He felt that he 'could' do it and and 'should do it', and focused on that too early in the season, leading him perhaps to peak at TEB.
    I think Patrick's problem for this year was his determination to stay on his feet even if he had to double some jumps after the humiliation he experienced after last year's Worlds. I think that if he had known Hanyu fell twice, he might have gone for the jumps instead of playing safe to avoid falls.

    By the way, where is the petition to award another gold to the silver medalist? After all, according to those who signed the petition, someone who fell shouldn't have won any competition, right, there is none. Of course, this no-fall rule only applies to a Patrick Chan.

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    I think some of you are taking this way too personally since none of us is actually doing the skating. Yes it was a poor performance but we know Patrick has never had a killer instinct - he doesn't compete against other skaters as much as he competes against himself. It's a competition - he lost. I hate to be blunt here, but get over it. It's not healthy to be angry after a figure skating event - unless of course it's about the judges

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvyne View Post
    A couple of interviews.

    Olympic Primetime : http://olympics.cbc.ca/videos/video/...primetime.html

    Bons baisers de Sotchi (in French) : http://olympiques.radio-canada.ca/vi...rs-sotchi.html
    Thank you for these links........I hadn't seen the French interview, and while I don't speak it very well, I can understand 75% if I listen hard LOL.

    Thank you SiruisBoutBlack for that blog. And the links to the wonderful programs from Victoria, London & France. And the animated gifs.

    I don't get the anger either. I have had a few people in my life come to me with that reaction since Friday. I just want to give him a big hug and tell him I know he did the best he could at that moment. I have watched him in practice and in competition the last few years enough to know that his jumps are there. This was a mental game he lost with himself. I am so glad he got the team silver as well because I think he really feels a part of history now, regardless of the colour of his individual medal. Not that getting an Olympic silver is anything to be ashamed about, OMG! I am so proud of him.

    My favourite comment that he has made since the free skate is "I didn't go insane". Good on you Patrick. We need to somehow figure out a way not to put so much pressure on our athletes, if we ever hope to have that elusive men's gold medal.
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    I'm not mad at anyone in particular. It's just disappointing in general to look forward to this event all year (if not the past 4 years) and everyone skating so poorly. It just sucks, but I'm not going to blame any of the competitors. I'm sure they all wanted to skate better, even if the result would have been the same.

    I agree that Patrick looked lost. All that pressure must have really gotten to him. Staying in for that OGM was definitely the wrong approach - you can't compete going for the placement. You have to skate for yourself. But even the great Michelle Kwan, one of the most consistent skaters in history, never skated her very best at the Olympics either. She was certainly more capable of it than Patrick, who was never exactly known for his jump consistency.

    I haven't read enough interviews with him to predict what he'll do after retiring. Maybe he'll say "Eff the OGM, I'm staying in it for me" and continue developing his artistry. He made a ton of progress the past few years, and I certainly wouldn't complain getting more programs like his Rach SP. The only bad aspect is if his jumps started to go, all the talk would be about how that. But still, not like Canada has anyone else of his caliber coming up the ranks. After all, Jeff only retired after he won Worlds and figured his time in Canada was up, with Patrick nipping at his heels. It's really what Patrick wants for himself at this point.

    I'm still proud to call myself a fan. If I wanted to be a fan of someone with a competitor's mindset, I'd be a fan of Plushenko, but I'm not. I'm a fan of Patrick's skating, and I will continue to enjoy his skating no matter how well he does at any given competition.

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    IMO Patrick is not a skater who loves to compete.
    Japanfan, Patrick himself said he doesn't enjoy skating and hates to compete, "It's like undergoing surgery." I often felt while reading his interviews over the past few years that he stopped enjoying what he was doing soon after he'd won his first world title and that he kept going just out of a sense of obligation to the people around him. He mentioned countless times that he was getting bored in training and feeling frustrated and unmotivated, which sounded quite weird coming from the mouth of an athlete who was usually winning and had the Olympics lying ahead of him. Looking back now to all this, I have to agree with Anita18 that Patrick staying in just for the OGM was the wrong approach because if you don't like what you're doing, it just won't work.

    I hate to be blunt here, but get over it.
    blueglass, I feel Patrick's fans and those who would have liked him to win these Olympics will get over it much more quickly than Patrick will. Figure skating moves on with or without Chan and people will find other skaters to support and root for. Patrick by contrast, what were his words? "I think I'll be crushed when I go home." "It's going to take years for sure for me to go to bed and not think about it, not think about those split seconds that could have changed everything." "I don't know if I would be able to watch it seeing those mistakes and knowing those mistakes cost me the gold."

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/sochi/after-ol...ting-1.1687988

    I think you made a great suggestion that Patrick should start planning for a future outside of competitive skating and go back to school. School wouldn't prevent him from doing some shows if he is interested. He can definitely be proud of his achievements in sport considering he's anything but one of the toughest competitors we've seen. And he'll always be the standard for the most brilliant skating basics and skills ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    Japanfan, Patrick himself said he doesn't enjoy skating and hates to compete, "It's like undergoing surgery." I often felt while reading his interviews over the past few years that he stopped enjoying what he was doing soon after he'd won his first world title and that he kept going just out of a sense of obligation to the people around him. He mentioned countless times that he was getting bored in training and feeling frustrated and unmotivated, which sounded quite weird coming from the mouth of an athlete who was usually winning and had the Olympics lying ahead of him.
    In Asian culture, it is a very sad but true reality. Children have no say what so ever in their own life. Parents know best and all. I always feel sad for the kids who have to suffer doing what they hate because their parents had no chance to do them when they were young. His family is Asian after all.

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    Patrick has been the face of COP for men's skating and taken so much of the criticism - I am not surprised he hasn't liked to compete. I personally understand the frustration about landing all of the jumps but I could never think of a skater who is doing a COP friendly program and more consistent. I think social media etc. has really pushed these athletes out there and made them so much more aware of negative comments - and most are not celebrities making the big bucks to maybe make it worth it. If Patrick does retire I wonder who will be able to achieve these perfect 2 quad COP friendly programs with everything that has been expected of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puglover View Post
    Patrick has been the face of COP for men's skating and taken so much of the criticism - I am not surprised he hasn't liked to compete. I personally understand the frustration about landing all of the jumps but I could never think of a skater who is doing a COP friendly program and more consistent. I think social media etc. has really pushed these athletes out there and made them so much more aware of negative comments - and most are not celebrities making the big bucks to maybe make it worth it. If Patrick does retire I wonder who will be able to achieve these perfect 2 quad COP friendly programs with everything that has been expected of him.
    This is a very good point.
    I always wonder how aware he is of that criticism. He doesn't seem to be the type of person reading his @replies everyday and I'm sure his team tries to keep him somewhat sheltered from it. But that's almost impossible in this day and age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BusyMom View Post
    In Asian culture, it is a very sad but true reality. Children have no say what so ever in their own life. Parents know best and all. I always feel sad for the kids who have to suffer doing what they hate because their parents had no chance to do them when they were young. His family is Asian after all.
    I'm not sure if it was his parents doing it. I'm Asian too, and IME the more "focused" Asian tiger parents are way more direct in getting results. No way would they have let him have a coach who never taught skating. It would be jump coaches the whole time. Artistry? Who cares!

    I'm sure there was plenty of pressure from the Canadian skating fed, so parental pressure was likely not needed. But even when it's my own parents (who were lenient by Asian standards) being supportive, I'd feel bad in giving up what they sacrificed so much to put me in. The Asian guilt complex is strong. It wasn't until I was on my own and paying my own way, that I could really enjoy my life with no strings attached. Maybe that's what Patrick needs, now that the weight of the OG is off him. Live his life for himself, instead of other people and the pressure of his own talent.

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