Last edited by bek; 01-25-2014 at 03:29 PM.
I watched a snippet of "the andy griffith show" last night and was shocked, shocked I tell you!, when andy -in uniform no less-fished a cigarette out of his pocket and lit up and INHALED! in front of ain't bea and (gasp!!!) little opie!! The horror!!! Scandal!!!
So much for the sainted sanitized memories of the 50s and 60s :-P
PLUSHENKO YOU ARE ALWAYS THE BEST
Look at little Julia Lip this season in her red coat. Has she ever skated that program without a big standing ovation? I call that extremely effective, even great packaging.
Most of the Lady's programs this season - for whatever reasons - don't seem very memorable to me. I don't think the general public and casual fan is seeing much to get them more involved let alone emotionally invested. Maybe the Olympics will change that but we know what typically follows in the three seasons after each Olympics.
Good interviews can raise interest but ultimately it is more about the product.
i believe tonya said she wanted to kick nancy's butt.
I feel like I'm in a dream. But it can't be a dream because there are no boy dancers!
It just doesn't get more beautiful than this:
Gracie was born to launch a million magazine and book covers (and web home pages). THE most marketeable beauty on skates since Dorothy Hamill and, before that, Peggy Fleming. Before that, Sonja Henie.
Dick Button Historical Quote of the Month: "With them it's all about the most movement per measure." (commenting on Bestemianova/Bukin, during the 1988 Olympics, Calgary)
Women's skating in the US isn't unpopular because they are giving PC answers, it's because there hasn't been a contender for the top in over 6 years. Sorry but a top 5 finish isn't holding anyone's attention when you are following in the tradition of Yamaguchi, Kwan, Cohen, Hughes etc.
"F this I want to win" only works when you are an actual contender and you follow up your words with actual wins and performance. How many times can the skating audience sit through Carmen, Don Quixote and Swan Lake with the same zzz tried and true choreography? It's boring.
I could care less about having Johnny Weir-like caricatures off the ice. I want more of Jason Brown, who showed that performance art is still alive and well on the ice and it can capture the attention of mainstream audiences without having to whack someone's knee off. JMO
Indeed, Mayra. Its rather backwards to think that if skaters just were "interesting" off ice, suddenly people would be interested in them on ice. Sure you can sneak in the backdoor sometimes with a really colorful individual who attracts attention independently to him or herself, but that doesn't really do anything for the sport.
This discussion makes me What is it that people think skaters should be saying that would make people suddenly want to watch skating? How should they be portrayed? Bad boys and bad girls? I'm old so I can't imagine what it is that would suddenly bring in floods of young fans who right now aren't motivated to watch people on ice jumping and spinning.
Take away the sparkles, the "ice princesses," the old tunes and old styles and you have what? You re-dress it up in some imagined current style (that goes out of date as soon as you young people realize you aren't young for long) and have some skaters saying "Fcuk" and presto?
“I am happy that it’s over. Happy that I did well.” Yu Na Kim
But the idea that (No.)American fans can only get interested in an OGM/WC winner feels false.
Janet Lynn and Toller Cranston are two skaters who come to mind. Their degree of popularity transcended their competitive records.
Granted they were far above anything Ashley or Mirai have achieved on the Intl stage but of course it was a different era.
Still, I think Jason has the potential to bring some attention back to skating and it will be because of the way he skates and performs and not because he gives a good interview.
I don't think US Skating/NBC and the sponsors have done nearly enough for D/W.
Those who remember Sarajevo know that talk of the Games was neither Scott or Katerina but Torville/Dean.
There is no rivalry in US ladies skating, and no current or past lady since Sasha (and Kimmie for a minute) has been good enough to rival an international skater like Yuna. Sport is about rivalry.
I couldn't care less what their real personalities are, but I can tell you what Michelle Kwan's was without her saying a word: Tough. Intelligent. Driven. Winner. I didn't need her to go off in an interview about how she just wanted to win, because it was a given, IMO.
Agree with Mayra that it's hard to get into a sport where fifth place is considered a victory. We need medal contenders, not almost girls. Get some contenders, get a rivalry and interest will pique.
I also agree that the US media (NBC in particular) have not done enough for D&W after their 2 world titles and Olympic silver in 2010. They deserve so much more! During the GP series they would just show one D&W performance, while showing the mens and womens competitions (last flight of course). Why not show who they are competing against, and how they stack up? Why not come up with commercials involving the most recent world champions the USA has?
D&W are the USA's best hope for an OGM in Sochi, and yet all we hear about is Gold and Wagner, as if looks trump championships.
ETA: Sorry I digressed into something else. This thread is about the ladies.
On the other topic of conversation, Gracie is a pretty girl, but in a rather generic way. Open up Vogue and you will see that the generic blond is not much in demand in the fashion world or otherwise any more. I don't see the media or general public getting all that excited about her. And I also don't see anyone who has never medalled at Worlds winning in Sochi. Tara was the reigning world champ. Sarah had a bronze from Worlds and had beaten both Michelle and Irina that fall.
To leesaleesa's point, I don't need flamboyant interviews if the athlete has grit (determination to win) on the ice in the highest levels of competition. It remains to be seen if any of the three US lady Olympians has it.
Figure skating is hard.
NBC should be marketing its ass off on Meryl & Charlie and Jason. They missed the boat so badly with Johnny and Evan in 2010.