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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    I think Divette and Ernie Utah Stevens have been a team for 5 years, but I imagine lack of jumps may ultimately end their partnership despite an absolutely lovely look together.
    Is Divette a nickname for her? If so, that's hilarious. I think that Ernie has also been coached by her parents for a long time, so they may both have the same jump trouble. It is a trend with their skaters, unfortunately. I think the pairs coaching is good, but not the singles. If you remember LeDuc's previous partner, Cassie Andrews, she was also somewhat limited with jumps and she had always been coached by them. She could do double axel and triple sal, but not sure how consistent they were, and she may be one of the few to have accomplished even that.

    I think a LeDuc/Donlan partnership would have some of the same jump problems. While I agree that she is a lovely skater, unfortunately she does not have the jumps to be competitive at senior.

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    From what I understand it's a coaching style. Things might be changing, but in general North Americans are more into doing numerous full run throughs while the Russian school is to break down the elements and practice them separately.
    Yes, I believe it is a coaching style. And they are Russian. I see their young skaters do full runthroughs, but those programs are less than two minutes. And they don't do them very often. I do sections of my program to break down the elements, but then the ultimate goal is to do it all in the same runthrough in practice, hopefully more than once.

    The same day I said I haven't seen Ernie in a while, I did see him at the rink, but they were not skating at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiss-n-cry View Post
    How about Gretchen Donlan? I can never remember how tall all of these skaters are, but I think they would make a lovely pair.
    I agree Gretchen Donlan (20 yrs. old, 4'11") would make a fine pair teamed with Timothy LeDuc (23 yrs. old, 6'1"), as they both excel in elegance & refinement on ice, and even though Gretchen is short she appears tall on the ice with long limbs, as does Timothy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Sparkles View Post

    I think a LeDuc/Donlan partnership would have some of the same jump problems. While I agree that she is a lovely skater, unfortunately she does not have the jumps to be competitive at senior.
    Yes, Gretchen has had issues with jump consistency and UR issues, particularly in the sbs jumps (her throw jumps not so much), however this past season she worked with a jump specialist and actually did pretty good, nailing her sbs triple toe in the international B competitions that she & Andrew were assigned, and which they won. It's just unfortunate that her old problems came back at US Nationals. But hey that's the name of the game, you win some (they won Ondrej Nepela & Ice Challenge) and you lose some (US Nationals).

    It's also good to keep in mind that Gretchen sat out two seasons when she was younger due to two stress fractures in her back, and most importantly she's still young at only 20 yrs. old. For some consistency is natural (ala Caydee Denney) whereas for others it comes with time (aka Amanda Evora). On the (+) side, Gretchen has no problem landing the jumps in practice, so she *can* do them, it's just a matter of doing them in competition, and she *IS* getting better as evidenced by how well she & Andrew did at Ondrej Nepela & Ice Challenge. She just needs a partner that will stick with her through the long haul and have people believe in her. jmho.


    Now onto Caydee Denney. Ever since the breakup of two phenomenal female pair skaters and their respective partners ~ Aliona Savchenko (30 yrs. old, 5'0") & Robin Szolkowy (34 yrs. old, 5'9") and Kirsten Moore-Towers (21 yrs. old, 4'11") & Dylan Moscovitch (29 yrs. old, 5'10"), I've been wondering about the future of Caydee Denney (20 yrs. old, 5'1") & John Coughlin (28 yrs. old, 6'3")? Because like Kirsten, Caydee's young and realistically could try for 2 or 3 more Olympiads. She's already been to one Olympics in 2010 at the age of 16, but at 20 still has *at least* two more Olympiads in her, whereas John is 28 and has one more chance at the Olympics in 2018 (he'll be 32 yrs. old, Caydee 24). Hmmm....it just makes me wonder if she'll choose the Aliona & Kirsten route.....sooner, or later? That is thee question(?).

    I know I personally would hate to see them split because I think they are phenomenal together! However, looking ahead to the future one has to wonder what will happen? Neither is getting any younger, just ask Rockne Brubaker, who looks to have given up his Olympic aspirations at 27 yrs. old and has taken a Director job. Same thing happened to Jeremy Barret, whom retired at 27 to work as a coach and skate in shows. Somebody has to pay the bills, that's another huge consideration.

    Anyhow, I wish Caydee & John much luck, and hope they'll be able to stay together for at least another run at the next Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadineWhite View Post
    Yes, Gretchen has had issues with jump consistency and UR issues, particularly in the sbs jumps (her throw jumps not so much), however this past season she worked with a jump specialist and actually did pretty good, nailing her sbs triple toe in the international B competitions that she & Andrew were assigned, and which they won. It's just unfortunate that her old problems came back at US Nationals. But hey that's the name of the game, you win some (they won Ondrej Nepela & Ice Challenge) and you lose some (US Nationals).
    IIRC, Donlan didn't cleantly land the sbs jumps in the LPs at either Nepela or Ice Challenge. She also has struggled a lot with the throw landings the last few seasons.

    I adore Donlan too, and the splits of Donlan/Speroff and Leng/LeDuc are big losses for fans of stylish, elegant teams. The Florida teams and the Colorado teams don't really come close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    IIRC, Donlan didn't cleantly land the sbs jumps in the LPs at either Nepela or Ice Challenge. She also has struggled a lot with the throw landings the last few seasons.

    I adore Donlan too, and the splits of Donlan/Speroff and Leng/LeDuc are big losses for fans of stylish, elegant teams. The Florida teams and the Colorado teams don't really come close.
    I think Kayne/O'Shea are very stylish and have a beautiful look on the ice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TanithandBenFan View Post
    I think Kayne/O'Shea are very stylish and have a beautiful look on the ice.
    IMO she is lovely, but they aren't well-matched in the way that Leng/LeDuc or Donlan/Speroff were. The big skills and some basics are still very rough around the edges as well. They certainly have potential though. (Probably more potential than Zhang/Bartholomay.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Russia had a way of steering young people with the desired physical attributes into pairs -- similar to the way they could tell if an 8-year old would have the right body for ballet. My ballet teacher used to look at an 8-year old and look at the parents, and say "no, this won't work" if the legs weren't longer than the body, or the limbs were bulky, or the head was too big/neck too short, or the parents were very overweight. Here, it seems like we let anyone do whatever they want as kids, and we let time tell whether the kids will grow too much or too little.
    They definitely check out the parents before they let anyone into the elite Russian training programs. They want to be sure that they're not wasting a precious slot, and they have to make most decisions when a kid is 8-10. I've read the occasional story where a parent was strategically "hidden."
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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    IIRC, Donlan didn't cleantly land the sbs jumps in the LPs at either Nepela or Ice Challenge. She also has struggled a lot with the throw landings the last few seasons.

    I adore Donlan too, and the splits of Donlan/Speroff and Leng/LeDuc are big losses for fans of stylish, elegant teams. The Florida teams and the Colorado teams don't really come close.
    I re-watched D&S's FS & SP from Ondrej Nepela and you're right, they both had trouble with their SBS jumps in the FS, however the throw jumps were good, with just the teeniest slight brush of her foot on the landing if being nitpicky. However, their SP was pure perfection with SBS 3Toes & the Throw 3Salchow. In fact it was their SP that nabbed them the win.

    Unfortunately I couldn't find their SP nor FS at Ice Challenge on youtube, but I distinctly recall how pleased they were with their skates at Ice Challenge because even though they won at Ondrej Nepela their FS wasn't clean, whereas at Ice Challenge they skated much much better (& won of course).

    Btw, I re-watched their SP & FS at Skate Detroit, which took place last summer, and the scenario was the same. They nailed the SP, but had trouble in the FS on their SBS jumps, whereas their throw jumps were perfection.

    I'm wondering if Gretchen wearing a full body suit helped them in their SP? Seriously, I recall how Gretchen has stated in the past she's always cold and therefore she was finally happy to wear a costume that covered her entire body. Maybe being warm helps her body, just wondering...

    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    They definitely check out the parents before they let anyone into the elite Russian training programs. They want to be sure that they're not wasting a precious slot, and they have to make most decisions when a kid is 8-10. I've read the occasional story where a parent was strategically "hidden."
    True, even Mr. Mishin wouldn't accept his first female skater (aka Elizaveta Tuktamysheva) until he saw what her parents looked like. He wanted to make sure her parents were small. He's very strict. I recall him saying "if a person cannot do a 3lutz at 12, s/he will never be able to do it".

    And the same goes for their phenomenal ballet program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCDdghVl40A

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    Quote Originally Posted by TanithandBenFan View Post
    I think Kayne/O'Shea are very stylish and have a beautiful look on the ice.

    Agree completely. Her lines are gorgeous. I will not be surprised at all to see them on the podium in Greensboro or surprising for a GP medal.

    Outside the Sappenfield teams, I don't think the US pairs really lack style. Castelli/Shnapir are a stylish, extremely well packaged team with unique programs who don't get nearly enough credit even after 2 national titles and a very solid Olympic showing. Shaughnessy and Morgan are elegant and stylish with great chemistry. Haven Denney has star quality and innate polish and musicality that her sister has never developed after all these years. I really think we're at the beginning of an upswing for US pairs and I don't think the rumored or confirmed splits/retirements (L/L, D/C, D/S) will hurt all that much because there really is a good amount of depth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lauren329 View Post
    Outside the Sappenfield teams, I don't think the US pairs really lack style. Castelli/Shnapir are a stylish, extremely well packaged team with unique programs who don't get nearly enough credit even after 2 national titles and a very solid Olympic showing. Shaughnessy and Morgan are elegant and stylish with great chemistry. Haven Denney has star quality and innate polish and musicality that her sister has never developed after all these years. I really think we're at the beginning of an upswing for US pairs and I don't think the rumored or confirmed splits/retirements (L/L, D/C, D/S) will hurt all that much because there really is a good amount of depth.
    It's very clear how much you adore Castelli/Shnapir, but how have they not gotten "nearly enough credit"? I think they've done very well considering they don't have a classic pair look with matching lines, much refinement, or a real connection with each other. And I think some of their program choices have been made in part because they don't have that classic look and "oneness" that helps to pull off more classic looking programs that may be more well-received internationally. But regardless, they have some good attributes and have delivered some strong programs, and I think they've generally received proper credit for the things they do well. They've put up some good scores at major competitions even though they tend to make a lot of mistakes and have some built-in issues from a technical standpoint (ie. the quad throw). I'm not sure where you feel they've been slighted. I thought they did very well this year.

    If you're talking more along the lines of getting credit from posters in this thread-- some posters are very biased towards certain skaters (and in a couple cases directly affiliated with them), and some people love to root for/discuss teams that don't get the best results, but have certain aspects of their skating that catch one's eye. I'm not sure how much more you could expect people to praise C/S. They had a great year, won another National title, and threw down a couple of the best skates they've ever done in the Olympic individual event to get a top 10 finish. But the most recent competition was Worlds, where US pairs had their worst combined finish by 2 teams in the history of the event, and posters can get very "what have you done for me lately", even if it's not always fair. But in general, I haven't found that posters don't give enough credit to C/S.

    I do find it bothersome when posters suggest new partners for Marissa. I just don't think it's appropriate on a forum to suggest partners for people who are currently in partnerships (the current National Champions, no less). I'm guessing some of the skaters themselves get curious and read these forums, and it probably feels particularly gut-wrenching to read posts from people who wish your partner would skate with someone else. But you can't really stop people from writing what they want, even if it's sometimes rude or ridiculous. I always hope that skaters don't read here.
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    I wouldn't say Haven Denney has "innate polish". She's somewhat rough around the edges, although she's more naturally gifted and polished than her sister presentation-wise, yes.

    I do agree with you that these pair splits aren't a big deal. It's the nature of the pairs discipline to have a number of splits each year. It takes a lot of factors, both on-ice and off-ice, to get a pair to click and to keep them working together. If anything, Russia, China, & Canada have shown us that it's not about how many teams you have competing at Nationals, it's about the ability level of your best pairs and how much longevity your pairs with true potential display compared to the rest of the world.

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    Alexa Scimeca has been tweeting from Montreal and the combined S&K account said "good start" - I'm guessing getting choreo for next season? Presumably Julie Marcotte.

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    ^Thanks for the update on S/K. Hoping that they can put their sophomore slump behind them and make things happen in the upcoming quad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjeaskategym View Post
    I do find it bothersome when posters suggest new partners for Marissa. I just don't think it's appropriate on a forum to suggest partners for people who are currently in partnerships (the current National Champions, no less). I'm guessing some of the skaters themselves get curious and read these forums, and it probably feels particularly gut-wrenching to read posts from people who wish your partner would skate with someone else. But you can't really stop people from writing what they want, even if it's sometimes rude or ridiculous. I always hope that skaters don't read here.
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    The constant new partner suggestions for C/S is exactly what I meant by people not giving them enough credit. I get that everyone has their favorites but I just don't know how much more they need to do for skating fans to at least respect them as a team. I find it infinitely amusing and frustrating how posters bemoan the perpetual US splits but are also suggesting breakups and new pairs all the time. Like you said though people can certainly post what they want and I also hope the skaters don't read here but I'm sure some do.

    In terms of a team that I think is truly undersold and underappreciated here, its Z/B. I see a ton of comments about them having a lack of "potential" and people regarding them below teams they beat by a large margin at Nationals. And while they aren't my favorites, I know I didn't think they had the "potential" to skate so well at Nationals that they forced the judges to consider them over a team whose names were basically already on the Sochi plane tickets. So I'm not betting against what they can potentially do going forward and I see them, at least until S/K or whoever else actually lives up to this superior "potential" in competition, as our #2 pair.

    Interesting re S/K in Montreal. I can't remember did they have an outside choreographer last year? I know D/C worked with Marcotte.

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    I'm glad S/K are in Montreal as I think they are in need of a fresh, new look and working with someone as accomplished as Julie Marcotte is a great place to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catherine M View Post
    I'm glad S/K are in Montreal as I think they are in need of a fresh, new look and working with someone as accomplished as Julie Marcotte is a great place to start.
    Well- she is the only option in pair choreography now...didn't get the memo?

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    I would love to see great things from Z/B as their personalities on the ice are very appealing. What's lacking, though, is a sense of "wow" when they skate. Their twist is small, their throws are small, their lifts are good but not exceptional... if they could develop amplitude in their elements as well as increase their speed they would get a lot more attention and respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lauren329 View Post
    In terms of a team that I think is truly undersold and underappreciated here, its Z/B. I see a ton of comments about them having a lack of "potential" and people regarding them below teams they beat by a large margin at Nationals.
    They have very small elements. They are both physically small. I don't see how they are ever going to get "big" elements that would get them the GOEs they need, not to mention they skate small, which won't help them get the PCS they need internationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    They have very small elements. They are both physically small. I don't see how they are ever going to get "big" elements that would get them the GOEs they need, not to mention they skate small, which won't help them get the PCS they need internationally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TanithandBenFan View Post
    If Sui and Han can do it....
    But they have what I would describe as "big" elements. They are very explosive. Z/B are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    But they have what I would describe as "big" elements. They are very explosive. Z/B are not.
    Yes, but Sui/Han are also physically small (smaller than Z/B even) and somehow learned how to do it. So it's not impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TanithandBenFan View Post
    Yes, but Sui/Han are also physically small (smaller than Z/B even) and somehow learned how to do it. So it's not impossible.
    It's kind of late in the game to hope that Z/B will suddenly become explosive, "big" skaters. Nathan struggles with a lot of basic skating elements (for example, he's not great at basic stroking and skating on one foot).

    My comment about Kayne/O'Shea having more potential was not meant maliciously. I think the word "potential" is pretty clear...K/O are still improving and have a lot to work on, but they have a nice base and she has star power and excellent lines. Z/B aren't going to go back to intermediate are re-learn the basics, so I do see them as having more of a ceiling, but I still expect they'll be on/near the podium at Nationals for a year or a few years if they stay together. They are one of the more consistent teams.

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