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    Quote Originally Posted by julieann View Post
    People are really eating this crap up aren't they

    Any 'news' organization can pretty much say what they want no matter if Plushenko said it or not and :


    Right. Many reputalbe news organizations are going to risk those hard-earned reputations and lie about Plushenko just to have a big story. What friggin' planet do you live on???

    Face the facts, the Great Plushenko doesn't think he has to play by any rules and should just be handed a spot to Sochi becuase of who he is. And all he keeps doing is making a bigger ass of himself everyday and ruining his own reputation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazmeen View Post
    Right. Many reputalbe news organizations are going to risk those hard-earned reputations and lie about Plushenko just to have a big story. What friggin' planet do you live on???
    That's actually exactly what a lot of very reputable American news organizations did after Vancouver when they happily attributed the platinum medal comments to Plushenko...

    And what a "reputable" commentator did live on television at 4CCs last year when he told the world that Plushenko was lying about his surgery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiejie View Post
    Heading to kitchen to whip up an extra large batch of popcorn for this one
    Nothing like a good. Olympic show. Thought your comment was very clever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazmeen View Post
    Right. Many reputalbe news organizations are going to risk those hard-earned reputations and lie about Plushenko just to have a big story. What friggin' planet do you live on???
    This isn't 1960....what planet do YOU live on?

    Face the facts, the Great Plushenko doesn't think he has to play by any rules and should just be handed a spot to Sochi because of who he is. And all he keeps doing is making a bigger ass of himself everyday and ruining his own reputation.
    Oh Puhleez...The Russian fed will send whoever they think the best person is and Maxim Kovtun isn't the saving grace either. He won three junior competitions last year. Only got 5th at Russian nationals last year (including losing to EP by almost 41 points) 5th at Euros and 17th at Worlds .

    This year he was 2nd at both Grand Prix competitions and with the exception of the Han, Kazuka and Machida, Kovtun had no worthy competition at either Cup of China or Cup of Russia.

    At the GPF where he was 5th, all of his competition came from Asia with the exception of Patrick Chan. So if he doesn't come away with anything but gold from Europeans this year, he won't be going to Sochi, nor would he deserve it, none of his competition comes from Europe. He didn’t even beat Plushenko in the short program at his own nationals. He only beat him by less than 6 points and Plushenko had to totally bomb the free skate in order for him to do that.

    I can see why the Russian fed is keeping a close eye on who they are going to send, even for the remaining pairs. There aren't many front runners. That's why at this point, they're only two for sure going.

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    ROTFL as if Plushenko either is capable of beating Chan or any of the Japanese men right now. Maybe on PS3. I agree Kovtun isnt a savior and his chances at a medal in Sochi are virtually nil, but Plushenko's chances at a medal in Sochi are virtually nil as well, so no difference there. So might as well send the one who actually earned the spot and that is clearly the guy who made the Grand Prix final and won Nationals and is skating at Europeans vs the guy who didnt skate the grand prix, lost at Nationals, and is choosing to not skate at Europeans despite being supposably healthy enough to skate at the Games. Yeah and we all know Plushenko was such a lock to win Europeans had he skated. Which is why he WD after being like 8th in the short last year, and is too scared to put himself on the line and compete in it this year.

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    International Skating Union (ISU) regulations state clearly that each country's winner of the Olympic qualification tournament-- in this case the Russian national championships -- should represent the country at the Games.

    But Russian federation chiefs insist they have the option of making their own selections for Sochi.
    I find this quote disturbing, I feel they just made up some of this information based on chat board information. So which ISU document did Bangkok Post get this bit of information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julieann View Post


    At the GPF where he was 5th, all of his competition came from Asia with the exception of Patrick Chan. So if he doesn't come away with anything but gold from Europeans this year, he won't be going to Sochi, nor would he deserve it, none of his competition comes from Europe. He didn’t even beat Plushenko in the short program at his own nationals. He only beat him by less than 6 points and Plushenko had to totally bomb the free skate in order for him to do that.
    Fernandez was not at the GPF, and he is the defending European champion. Yes, he had a rough Grand Prix season, but that does not mean he cannot rebound at Euros.

    Plushenko also is not going to beat any of the Japanese guys or Chan. Plushenko is highly unlikely to medal in the individual event. Russia would be better off to look to the possible future (Kovtun) than to the past (Plushenko).

    Kovtun has earned his spot in Sochi this season, imo. Plushenko has earned nothing this season, but if they want to give Plushenko a lifetime achievement award and send him to Sochi, that's up to the Russian fed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChelleC View Post

    Plushenko also is not going to beat any of the Japanese guys or Chan. Plushenko is highly unlikely to medal in the individual event. Russia would be better off to look to the possible future (Kovtun) than to the past (Plushenko).
    Plushenko has a will of iron, and hasn't bombed a program in years (Russian Nationals notwithstanding, and he took full responsibility for that). Kovtun wilts when the pressure is on. I know which one I'd have at an Olympics, where the mental challenge is half the battle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domshabfan View Post
    I find this quote disturbing, I feel they just made up some of this information based on chat board information. So which ISU document did Bangkok Post get this bit of information.
    Um, I think the writers at the Bangkok Post have more important issues to focus on than Russian figure skating politics. More likely than not the Post got the story from a news wire service that took it from some other source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChelleC View Post
    Fernandez was not at the GPF, and he is the defending European champion. Yes, he had a rough Grand Prix season, but that does not mean he cannot rebound at Euros.

    Plushenko also is not going to beat any of the Japanese guys or Chan. Plushenko is highly unlikely to medal in the individual event. Russia would be better off to look to the possible future (Kovtun) than to the past (Plushenko).

    Kovtun has earned his spot in Sochi this season, imo. Plushenko has earned nothing this season, but if they want to give Plushenko a lifetime achievement award and send him to Sochi, that's up to the Russian fed.
    Fernandez was not at the GPF because he got 5th at NHK, so if he does rebound and beats Kovtun at Euros (which I doubt) he will be hurting even more.

    Why should Russian look to the future? When they sent him to Worlds last year he choked and only got 17th. I would rather they look to the past and send someone who has been there several times (and medaled) and knows what to expect.

    If Kovtun had beaten a perfect Plushenko in both the short and free skate at nationals by 20 or 30 points I would have no beef sending him. But to have barely won - with an EP mistake filled free skate and after losing to him in the short - I think a skate off is only fair. No matter what happens after Euros considering no real competition will be at Euros anyway.

    Here is a topic that was in the Trash Can that was about selecting for major championship with some good viewpoints

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...-Championships

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    I thought April fools at first too

    But since this is still January i'll respond that knowing the forces that surround Plush,
    It's possible he might have a chance of getting his way, Kovtun has Europeans this week
    and he could show everyone that he belongs there beyond any doubt if he hands in the good skates,
    If he bombs though he might be out, His bid isn't over .

    I do think Plushenko could compete better at Olys, But Kovtun is the more logical and deserving choice based on age and Nationals,
    Anyways, I don't care who they choose, At this moment they're both the same to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    And what a "reputable" commentator did live on television at 4CCs last year when he told the world that Plushenko was lying about his surgery...
    Really?? I didn't pay much attention to 4CCs last year/ Who said that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skateboy View Post
    Really?? I didn't pay much attention to 4CCs last year/ Who said that?
    I don't remember his name. It was a Russian commentator. He said outright on live television during the broadcast that he thought Plushy's withdrawal from Euros was a temper tantrum and that his injury and surgery was faked. Then he cried victim when Plushy turned around and went after him for defamation. Apparently it was terrible for Big Mean Nasty Plushenko to take action against a Poor Widdle Innocent Commentator for saying that he faked a serious surgery...

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    I never heard of http://www.bangkokpost.com/..... and where in heck they got this info.....

    But in the respectable Russian press for the last 2 days the most "acute" stories about Plushenko's participation in Sochi have heading such as "Plushenko's change to go to Sochi depends on Kovtun's performance at Euros" and "Plushenko has not lost hope to go to Sochi".....

    http://www.sport-express.ru/olympic1...reviews/39789/
    http://spb.kp.ru/online/news/1629842/

    (the articles are in Russian, yes. But! a) Russian is the official language of figure-skating lately.... , and b) we, Russians, had to learn your blimey english and 25 other languages to survive, did not we? so go and learn Russian....).

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    He-he--really don't you understand? Plushy is too famous, the media giant monitor his every sentence .. whatever he says, immediately appear in the news and often inaccurate. He is one of the most famous Russian athletes ever, superstar. What happened with this intrerview? http://evgeni-plushenko.com/forum/vi...t=6&start=2670

    Articles on other languages with some factual errors - of course, this is result of using the wrong (short and incomplete) english translation from "Voice of Russia"

    - in french article they wrote how Plushy said before that he will not, at all, compete in Sochi
    - in italian - that Plushy's expressed his changed wish to compete, so he is, by them - already in Oly team...


    Plushenko veut concourir à Sotchi: http://www.francetvsport.fr/les-jeux...-sotchi-198989
    Plushenko a Sochi ci sarà: http://www.raisport.rai.it/dl/raispo...2e271013e.html

    More... I cant check them all - probably with similar "mistakes"
    ... but maybe they are right: why russian officials AT ALL should to think between them two? Plushy decided to compete - and this is it! His "wishes are commandment" for RussSkatFed!

    Yevgeny Plushenko changes mind, wants to compete in singles
    http://olympictalk.nbcsports.com/201...maksim-kovtun/

    Plushenko ha detto sì: "Sono pronto per l'Olimpiade":
    http://sport.sky.it/sport/olimpiadi/201 ... um=twitter

    Plushenko cambia idea:
    http://www.gazzettadiparma.it/news/spor ... -idea.html

    Plushenko veut finalement aller aux JO:
    http://www.rtbf.be/sport/jo/detail_plus ... id=8173044

    Jeux Olympiques 2014: l'ex-champion olympique du patinage artistique Plushenko veut finalement y aller:
    http://www.sudinfo.be/899089/article/sp ... um=twitter

    Plushenko revient sur sa décision:
    http://www.rts.ch/sport/divers/5518034- ... urce=rss_t

    La nouvelle pirouette de Yevgeny Plushenko:
    http://www.lematin.ch/sports/sports-d-h ... um=twitter

    Sotchi 2014 : Yevgeny Plushenko veut finalement en être :
    http://www.sport365.fr/autres-sports/sp ... 2236.shtml


    So I recommend you, don't hate him, before you have no exact informations...


    The figure skating competitions already are more exciting ,despite the fact Plushy still has not taken to the ice ..
    And what Plushy is doing? He says what he is thinking, and doest it what he wants. He is working for his goals..and what is doing the FS world?Loves him and hates him for it. But he doesn't care of it.. He is such a person, rumors, envy, hate and worship around him he got used to. He gets many messages every day like this:

    Ciao Plush!
    We are Francesca and Tommaso from Italy amd month ago we bought the tickets to Budapest to come and see you live at the European Champs. We love you and only you can give us so intense emptions as you skate. We have always admired you for your strength and your determination. You have done so much to prepare yourself for your 4th Olympics and to come back after the surgery. The National Champs did not go as expected, but this can happen and means nothing. Please do not give up now, one step away from your goal. Only you in Russia have the talent and the potential for a Podium at the Olympics and only you can do those wonderful step sequences without which the European Champs will lose all interest for us.
    So we are writing: please don't give up, use this month well and make us dream again at these Olympics. You can make it! We all believe in you!

    FORZA EVGENI!

    Francesca Ciolfi e Tommaso Bientinesihttps://www.facebook.com/Plushenko/posts/792447697437107

    And there are many new drawings on him every day on twitter:
    Russian Nationals 2013 - Evgeni Plushenko SP: https://twitter.com/chihiRomangaart/...067584/photo/1
    https://twitter.com/chihiRomangaart/...193664/photo/1
    https://twitter.com/batsuko_9066/sta...174656/photo/1
    Last edited by lala; 01-11-2014 at 09:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    I don't remember his name. It was a Russian commentator. He said outright on live television during the broadcast that he thought Plushy's withdrawal from Euros was a temper tantrum and that his injury and surgery was faked. Then he cried victim when Plushy turned around and went after him for defamation. Apparently it was terrible for Big Mean Nasty Plushenko to take action against a Poor Widdle Innocent Commentator for saying that he faked a serious surgery...
    Zhurankov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post
    He need to skate somewhere.
    Mars preferably…
    I guess the hard thing for a lot of people to accept is why God would allow me to go running through their yards, yelling and spinning around.


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    Tatiana Tarasova : Maxim Kovtun will participate in the Olympic Games in Sochi http://доверенныелица.рф/moskva/pers...-uchastvovat-v

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    Quote Originally Posted by julieann View Post
    and Maxim Kovtun isn't the saving grace either.
    So being a 'saving grace' is now a requirement for making the Olympic team?

    Kovtun won Russian Nationals fair and square and he actually competed this season (at more than one international competition).

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    What else would she say

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