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    Great start to the season. Although, I think I said "poor Molesley" so many times if it were a drinking game I'd have been smashed by the end of the show.

    Edith's wardrobe was gorgeous! Especially that green beaded dress she had on at the restaurant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRlady View Post
    OK, when Mary finally started crying so did I.
    Me too.

    Great premiere overall. Also liked Edith's wardrobe! I don't have a good feeling about that affair with the newspaper guy though, as much as I'd like it to work out....

    ETA: my biggest ongoing complaint about the show is the constant jumping between plotlines- love Carson but found his subplot kind of pointless. And why is Cora always believing everything Thomas says?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PRlady View Post
    OK, when Mary finally started crying so did I.
    Oh, so did I. Both of her conversations with Carson were heartbreaking.
    'Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.'--John Wayne

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    I enjoyed the premier. It was all about the Women! Mary, Edith and especially the Dowager were excellent. The zingers coming out of
    the Dowager's mouth were priceless and well warranted , especially this one to her son. "When you talk like that I am tempted to call Nanny
    and send you to bed without your supper".

    My only nit pick is the developing storyline between Cora's new ladies maid Edna who was booted
    out of Downton last season. Now that O'Brien is gone are we going to have a repeat of the evil
    maid and Thomas wrecking havoc Downstairs. I hope not.

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    Can someone remind me what Edna and Tom did last season? Who pursued who? Was Sybil still alive?

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    yeah i dont like edna and not in a way that i enjoy. too bad mosely cant do hair.
    I feel like I'm in a dream. But it can't be a dream because there are no boy dancers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Can someone remind me what Edna and Tom did last season? Who pursued who? Was Sybil still alive?
    Edna pursued Tom. He was emotionally vulnerable after the death of Sybil. Even though she stalked him, she also kept saying things to undermine his confidence, and to cause him to question his new position and his right to it. They had one brief kiss that she initiated, but that he didn't exactly fully resist. (NOTE: he was shirtless at the time...)

    Anyway, Mrs. Hughes had observed Edna's inappropriate behavior, gave her many side-eyed evil looks, gave Tom "the talk", and they agreed Edna had to go. But due to his own feelings of guilt, Tom insisted Mrs. Hughes give her a good reference...which has now come back to haunt them.

    I HATE Edna!
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    I didn't like Lord Grantham at all.
    "Sympathy"...no.

    His behavior is all about wanting to control Mary - and Downton.

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    Right, thanks dardar. I must say it did seem a bit farfetched for Lady Grantham to hire a position of such intimacy and seniority without actually talking to Mrs Hughes first. For that matter even to interview her without Mrs Hughes seems odd. But I guess Barrow needs a coconspirator now that Miss OBrien is gone!

    I gotta say Mrs Hughes annoyed me this time, and I usually love her. I thought she was way out of line with Carson, even though it eventually worked out. Plus in what universe is Mrs Crawley taking in a homeless man with only female servants in her house, and one that the esteemed Carson clearly has a problem with? I could see her putting him over the garage because she's that kind of person, but it seemed a bit foolhardy to have him in the house. Even today, who among us would do that?

    Funniest for me was the Dowager Countess trying to keep up with how she's supposed to address Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    I didn't like Lord Grantham at all.
    "Sympathy"...no.

    His behavior is all about wanting to control Mary - and Downton.
    And yet he's the one that squandered centuries of legacy and his wife's fortune with poor investments and almost lost Downton. Wonder if as he and Mary lock horns she'll spit that out at him one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    I didn't like Lord Grantham at all.
    "Sympathy"...no.

    His behavior is all about wanting to control Mary - and Downton.
    He's pretty much always been a backward-looking control freak! He lost almost all their money in a bad investment, and nearly had to sell Downton; yet he always thinks he knows best when it comes to the business and management of the estate. Originally Cora's money saved him, then the late Mr. Swire's money (left to Matthew after Lavinia's death), and now he thinks Matthew's death and Mary's grief can restore the power position to him. But thanks to Tom, Violet, and Carson encouraging Mary to rise from dispair and take her rightful position as the heiress and mother of the heir, it looks like Robert will NOT have things all his own way!
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    I've always wondered why no one has confronted him with that already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elka_sk8 View Post
    And why is Cora always believing everything Thomas says?
    I guess he earned extra credibility points from the whole Nanny West drama.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Right, thanks dardar. I must say it did seem a bit farfetched for Lady Grantham to hire a position of such intimacy and seniority without actually talking to Mrs Hughes first. For that matter even to interview her without Mrs Hughes seems odd. But I guess Barrow needs a coconspirator now that Miss OBrien is gone!

    I gotta say Mrs Hughes annoyed me this time, and I usually love her. I thought she was way out of line with Carson, even though it eventually worked out. Plus in what universe is Mrs Crawley taking in a homeless man with only female servants in her house, and one that the esteemed Carson clearly has a problem with? I could see her putting him over the garage because she's that kind of person, but it seemed a bit foolhardy to have him in the house. Even today, who among us would do that?

    Funniest for me was the Dowager Countess trying to keep up with how she's supposed to address Tom
    I agree that Cora seemed in an awful hurry to replace O'Brien...and very trusting of everything Edna said about her background, and her interim training (studied hair, worked as a lady's maid to an old lady...really? ). Convenient that her supposed previous employer is dead. And obviously that whole story about her caring for her aunt is a lie.

    But I guess that "good reference" from Mrs. Hughes carries a lot of weight. And Mrs. Hughes would have a hard time explaining it away without revealing Tom's minor indiscretion.

    I don't think Edna is just evil a la O'Brien...I think she's gonna be a psycho-nutcase!

    And I also agree that even though Isobel needs a "project" to get her back to life and what she does best, it was a bit pushy for Mrs. Hughes to kind of guilt Isobel into taking in Mr. Grigg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dardar1126 View Post
    I guess he earned extra credibility points from the whole Nanny West drama.
    eys, a happy coincidence for Barrow since he was making up stuff about her and then she went ahead and did something far worse. His expression of surprise was

    But there's Cora being stupid again. Even though Barrow had earned her trust, Anna has earned her trust 100 times more - notably the Turkish lover dramz. She should have said "well that doesn't sound like Anna, but thank you for bringing it to my attention" and then she should have gone straight to either Anna or Mrs Hughes and not left her thickheaded husband to go through Bates about it.

    Cora's always been a bit too trusting and accepting IMO. I'd like to see her stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    eys, a happy coincidence for Barrow since he was making up stuff about her and then she went ahead and did something far worse. His expression of surprise was

    But there's Cora being stupid again. Even though Barrow had earned her trust, Anna has earned her trust 100 times more - notably the Turkish lover dramz. She should have said "well that doesn't sound like Anna, but thank you for bringing it to my attention" and then she should have gone straight to either Anna or Mrs Hughes and not left her thickheaded husband to go through Bates about it.

    Cora's always been a bit too trusting and accepting IMO. I'd like to see her stronger.
    I totally agree...but Cora was always very gullible to everything O'Brien told her, too.

    And when Robert was showing Matthew's letter/will to Violet, did anyone else briefly think he was going to toss that letter into the fireplace! The fire was roaring, and I really thought that he might destroy the letter!

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    That was worth waiting for!

    I had pretty good idea that O'Brien would be leaving, after the trip to the Highlands at the end of last season. Didn't foresee the return of scheming Edna though. Her + Barrow is a pretty dangerous combination!

    I found Rose somewhat less tiresome this time around. She's still silly, but also sweet and naïve, somewhat of a nice change of pace from the other drama going on around the Abbey.

    And I can't find it in me to get too mad at Robert. Yes, he's stuck in the past with his head up his butt, but although his motives are about retaining power, I also believe he was sincere in his desire to protect Mary from the "burden" of running the estate. I think "wrong but well-intentioned" sums up pretty much all of his errors in judgment. And I can't help but have sympathy for people who find the times around them changing faster than they are able to process.

    The Dowager, well, she was perfect as always. What more can we say. Yes, her quips were brilliant, but I loved her scene with Mary the best. We don't see that side of her very often.

    Loved Mrs Patmore sending the valentine to Daisy, that was sweet. And then her trying out the electric mixer, in secret: so in character for her.

    My favourite "relationship," though, is still Mrs Hughes and Mr Carson. They're such a perfect yin and yang. But I hope the writers never, ever make them into a romantic couple!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elka_sk8 View Post
    Me too.

    Great premiere overall. Also liked Edith's wardrobe! I don't have a good feeling about that affair with the newspaper guy though, as much as I'd like it to work out....

    ETA: my biggest ongoing complaint about the show is the constant jumping between plotlines- love Carson but found his subplot kind of pointless. And why is Cora always believing everything Thomas says?
    Seriously, has no one in this family got a clue about Thomas yet? Heck, the Earl KNOWS Thomas is at best a reformed thief he wanted to fire several times. I guess since O'Brien finally showed her colors (my brother, via IM: "Julian Fellowes let O'Brien leave the show and live!") Cora needs someone else to just blindly believe everything they say no matter how far-fetched.

    I don't question Robert's motives with Mary--I think he truly wants to protect her and let her grieve as he can see she's completely, utterly shattered emotionally and unlike some of the others, I think he got that shoving the baby at her and telling her to live for her son was not going to work (not saying Mary doesn't love her child, but that doesn't mean being super-Mom is really something she'd be good at.) Unfortunately, and without Matthew there was no one to say it, he was the last person on Earth who ought to have financial control of a lemonade stand, let alone George's inheritance. Not that Mary has the slightest experience (he WAS right to point out, blunt as it was, that she has precisely no clue what goes into running a major estate) but once she got kicked out of her funk, she can learn. Heck, Tom is learning as he goes. He just wasn't seeing that she really needed to start to come out of her depression and wasn't going to without a gentle boot to the backside. I do think Robert learned a lesson when Cora nearly died of the flu, Sybil died, and then he lost his surrogate son Matthew (his conversation about losing someone) and is thinking about how he'd be destroyed in her position, but isn't realizing that Mary is probably more like Tom-she needs something to focus on that isn't her grief. She's his daughter, so it's harder for him to see that than it is with Tom.

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    Contains spoilers from Season 4, Episode 1:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/...ors-episode-1/

    Downton Abbey, Season 4: The Cast and Creators on Episode 1

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    NEW #DowntonPBS video: Julian Fellowes @Carmichelle & Joanne Froggatt on Edith's transition to a modern woman - http://to.pbs.org/19TVe9S
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    Because you know you've missed it:

    If Downton Abbey took place entirely on Facebook - Season 4, Episode 1: http://happyplace.someecards.com/284...on-4-episode-1

    Ghost of Matthew Crawley...
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