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    Quote Originally Posted by jadingirl View Post
    I was wondering where they filmed that lunch scene with Mary and Tony. I was thinking it might by the Orangery in Kensington Gardens since they were suppose to be in London.

    DOes anyone know?
    Found it! I freakin' love image search: it's the Great Conservatory at Syon Park.

    I'm not surprised it's not a regular restaurant. Much easier for filming that way, and stately homes are more eager for the location fee than restaurants would be.

    They need to update their website though: no mention of Downton Abbey in their "filming locations" link, you'd think they'd want to get right on that for the tourism boost.

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    Well done Artemis

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    Thanks Artemis!

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    You're welcome. It was a fun little bit of internet detective work, involving doing a screencap from the video, uploading that to Google image search, spelunking through a few comments threads til I found one that named the location, then searching that location to verify it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadingirl View Post
    I was wondering where they filmed that lunch scene with Mary and Tony.
    I jumped a little when I read that. Somehow (I can be extremely slow on the uptake) it never hit me till now. Mary and Tony were my grandparents' names.

    Now I guess I know which couple I have to root for.
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    One thing I found quite ridiculous in this episode is Tom referring to Cora as another "beast of burden." It would have been one thing if he said she was a nice person/mother-in-law/grandmother, but a beast of burden? This is a woman who doesn't comb her hair, or, evidently, even wrap her own towel around her upon getting out of the bath. The Crawleys are the complete opposites of beasts of burden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemba View Post
    One thing I found quite ridiculous in this episode is Tom referring to Cora as another "beast of burden." It would have been one thing if he said she was a nice person/mother-in-law/grandmother, but a beast of burden? This is a woman who doesn't comb her hair, or, evidently, even wrap her own towel around her upon getting out of the bath. The Crawleys are the complete opposites of beasts of burden.
    He was trying to make a point to Socialist Sarah, given her comments regarding the gentry.

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    ^ Yes, that's how I interpreted it too.

    Sort of like "no one gets to beat up my brother but me."

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    Sarah made the suggestion that the family was using Tom as a beast of burden. When Cora came along carrying things, he astutely pointed out (in a joking way) that Cora was a beast of burden through her hard work organizing the bazaar. It was definitely not a diss towards Cora, but a way to show Sarah that her view of the wealthy Granthams was not completely fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemis@BC View Post
    I believe he mentioned a wife and kids when he first appeared on the scene.
    Oh, too bad. I was wanting to pair him with Daisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonfan View Post
    Sarah made the suggestion that the family was using Tom as a beast of burden. When Cora came along carrying things, he astutely pointed out (in a joking way) that Cora was a beast of burden through her hard work organizing the bazaar. It was definitely not a diss towards Cora, but a way to show Sarah that her view of the wealthy Granthams was not completely fair.
    When I see the interaction between Tom and Sarah I get a very Pride and Prejudice vibe. Does anyone else feel this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonfan View Post
    Sarah made the suggestion that the family was using Tom as a beast of burden. When Cora came along carrying things, he astutely pointed out (in a joking way) that Cora was a beast of burden through her hard work organizing the bazaar. It was definitely not a diss towards Cora, but a way to show Sarah that her view of the wealthy Granthams was not completely fair.
    Exactly right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonfan View Post
    Sarah made the suggestion that the family was using Tom as a beast of burden. When Cora came along carrying things, he astutely pointed out (in a joking way) that Cora was a beast of burden through her hard work organizing the bazaar. It was definitely not a diss towards Cora, but a way to show Sarah that her view of the wealthy Granthams was not completely fair.
    See, I don't think he was joking. And I agree with you that he was trying to point out to Sarah that her view was unfair. I just happen to disagree with Tom's opinion on this. Cora is not, even under the wildest stretch of the imagination, a beast of burden. Tom might be growing closer to the Crawley family, and might think that they have a lot of good points, but largely they do not "do" anything, particularly Cora.

    I think his reply to Sarah calling him a beast of burden would have been more effective if he had simply said "Oh, I don't mind carrying these chairs," or "I offered to help." In other words, his better argument would have been to say that he was not a beast of burden, rather than to argue that Cora was one. I find the former quite reasonable, and the latter quite unreasonable.

    (This exchange was one of those times that I feel as though Downton Abbey is trying to push the idea on us that the aristocracy didn't have it so easy. And I wholeheartedly disagree. They weren't called the "leisure class" for nothing, and having Cora carry one tray of flowers does nothing to change the fact that her life was one of incredible leisure.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dardar1126 View Post
    When I see the interaction between Tom and Sarah I get a very Pride and Prejudice vibe. Does anyone else feel this?
    i get no vibe from her or them as a couple. she's super plain and not at all interesting to me. cast prettier people and stop repeating names so i can find their wikis!
    I feel like I'm in a dream. But it can't be a dream because there are no boy dancers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dardar1126 View Post
    When I see the interaction between Tom and Sarah I get a very Pride and Prejudice vibe. Does anyone else feel this?
    Can you explain a little more, because I don't see what you mean. Mr. Darcy was very haughty, where Tom is not. And I find Sarah more outspoken than Elizabeth. But I may be missing something.

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    ^ There's a teeny tiny connection in that Sarah has made judgments about Tom (and about the whole Crawley family) based on her personal prejudices ...

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    Ah, now I see what you mean. So Sarah is Darcy. Gotcha!

    By the way, I find Sarah's views to be extemely close to what Tom's views were in season one. I like Tom, but if he is finding her to be too judgmental, he needs to look a bit in the mirror. (And it was only 2 years ago that he was present at both the planning and the execution of an act of arson on the aristocracy in Ireland.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemba View Post
    Ah, now I see what you mean. So Sarah is Darcy. Gotcha!
    Or Lizzie--they both make judgments based on their prejudices (Lizzie finds Darcy proud, she's prejudiced against him, which predisposes her to favor outright cad Wickham.) In any case I'm with MLP, boring, judgmental (but somehow able to afford a car that for the era should probably be out of her budget) not especially pretty or interesting.

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    [QUOTE=danceronice;4186342, boring, judgmental (but somehow able to afford a car that for the era should probably be out of her budget) [/QUOTE]
    Yes, that car bothered me, too. It was much fancier than anything a school teacher could afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemba View Post
    By the way, I find Sarah's views to be extemely close to what Tom's views were in season one. I like Tom, but if he is finding her to be too judgmental, he needs to look a bit in the mirror. (And it was only 2 years ago that he was present at both the planning and the execution of an act of arson on the aristocracy in Ireland.)
    But he is looking in the mirror. The whole theme for Tom this season is that he's a man without a country (metaphorically speaking). When he looks in the mirror, he's not sure what he sees anymore. His roots are socialism, but his marriage into the Grantham family has changed him to some degree, and he's no longer the unapologetic anarchist he was in Season 1.

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