Heading to Sochi a difference compared to his rivals certainly might be a bigger media attention. However, with home games Plushenko would have gotten that anyways. And this can be an advantage or the opposite of it – not every skater can handle such pressure (think e.g. of Carolina Kostner in 2006). In addition what would you have suggested Plushenko to do? Keeping his health problems secret, so that people would have started to speculate if he’d become too lazy or too old when he started training jumps from scratch?
[QUOTE=Katarzyna;4086607]I really have to laugh about your fear that the story will overshine a skater’s actual performance and may lead to kind of competitive advantage. [QUOTE]
That is not at all what I said, and it's pretty funny you interpreted it that way. You guys won't let me compliment Plushy in any way unless I am a full-blown uber, which I cannot be. My words absolutely say nothing about a competitive advantage and everything about his story being good for the sport. If you want to read anything else into it (why bring up Yagudin for heaven's sake? He is long gone and has nothing to do with anything anymore) I can't stop you. But as it is Christmas-Merry Christmas everyone and I hope you all have a great day!
Plushenko will always be the king, whether he skates in Sochi or not (does not seem likely now). He has accomplished so much in his career; he can be proud of all those accomplishments.
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Sochi definitely seems out and his career over.
One not-so-good FS from Evgeni is not enough to convince me that he won't be well enough for either Euros or Sochi or both. His SP at Russian Nationals was superb, with a 4/3 to boot! His FS he did a lot of doubles, yet still managed an opening quad and a 3axel, not bad at all, still good enough for silver. It's between him & God whether or not his body will hold up for the rest...we shall see....
Btw, I love reading your posts, Vash01, you're articulate, even paced, and positive, I like that.
As for the naysayers ~ "by the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes"
ps: MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!
Thank you NadineWhite. Wish you a merry Christmas too.
About Plushenko- I have watched him compete at world level since he was 15 (and earlier as Junior). In all these years I have seen him skate TWO poor performances! I don't know how many skaters can have that kind of consistency. His first poor performance was at age 17 (worlds 2000 LP) and the second at age 31- today. I would definitely give him another chance to prove himself, but now it's up to RSF and Plushenko himself, and the politics (Tarasova will pull all stops to give the spot to Kovtun without further discussion).
I'm sure because of tarasova and this instance Russia for men's will adopt the national champion automatically goes to Olympics.
Yes but this isn't the same Plushenko. His body is falling apart. He may not be physically capable of pulling it together at the Olympics. I don't think its wise to send someone in hopes that they have a miracle skate.
And if said skater is not competiting much its hard to say what they are hoping for-isn't a miracle skate.
Kovtun is young and healthy, he's consistently put out the quads and other high tech content out there. There's the team event to consider where Russia could win gold. I don't see why its a good idea to send Plush when he hasn't demonstrated his capable of being at his old level.
To be honest I'm afraid the man is going to seriously hurt/damage himself. And my biggest fear is always been something could happen at the Team Event.
Plushenko's a great skater and champion-but age and injuries can get even him.
To be frank I think the Russian fed would be doing Plush a favor by saying its over.
Before Yagudin left Camp Mishin for Tarasova, he was, at that point, nothing but jumps. She took a diamond in the rough and was able to "cut and polish" his skating into something/someone special. When it comes to coaching and choreography, she has a talent and ability that Mishin is sorely lacking. I used to always wonder what kind of skater she could have turned Plushenko into if he had gone to her and Yagudin stayed with Mishin.
Oh, and just FTR, before lala goes off on one of her dumbass uber-accusations, I was never a Yagudin uber during his competitive years, and I'm not a fan of exhibition skating at all - by any skaters or teams.
Gun Control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to buy cars.
And Merry Christmas to you from my side as well!
Kovtun is no Yagudin, that's for sure, no matter how much Tarasova tries to convince others. Yagudin was one of the most consistent jumpers. He did develop his artistry with Tarasova, but he already had the right jump technique which he learned from Mishin.
Wow, a lot of Tarasova hatred from the Mishin/Plushenko devotees. Not that it would come as a surprise though.
Politicking high PCS for Kovtun is downright disgusting but politicking even higher PCS for Plushenko's empty programs is perfectly legitimate, I suppose.
Seriously though, I feel Kovtun's PCS to be much more in line than Plushenko's. He listens to and expresses the music with his body, uses more body positions and skates with much better purpose / choreography. So if both were awarded with realistic PCS instead of inflated ones, Kovtun would just have won with a bigger margin anyway.
Interesting about the Mishin and Tarasova rivalry. To think, if another Mishin student Gachinski had just edged Kovtun out of Euros and Worlds last season, the situation would be much more containable now.
Final results - Nationals in Sochi: http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1314/...1314/index.htm
1 Аделина СОТНИКОВА Sotnikova МОС 212.77 1 2
2 Юлия ЛИПНИЦКАЯ Lipnitskaia М/Е 210.81 2 1
3 Елена РАДИОНОВА Radionova МОС 202.01 3 3
4 Александра ПРОКЛОВА Proklova МОС 195.39 5 4
5 Алёна ЛЕОНОВА Leonova М/С 187.48 4 7
6 Серафима САХАНОВИЧ Sakhanovich СПБ 183.58 7 6
7 Евгения МЕДВЕДЕВА Medvedeva МОС 181.86 8 8
8 Анна ПОГОРИЛАЯ Pogorilaya МОС 180.88 10 5
9 Николь ГОСВИЯНИ Gosviani СПБ 176.54 6 10
10 Елизавета ТУКТАМЫШЕВА Tukatamysheva С/Г 175.59 9 9
11 Мария АРТЕМЬЕВА Artemieva СПБ 155.23 11 14
12 Софья БИРЮКОВА Biryukova МОС 150.15 15 12
13 Диана ПЕРВУШКИНА Pervushina ТОЛ 149.14 16 13
14 Алсу КАЮМОВА Kaiumova МОС 144.83 17 11
15 Диана ШАМСУТДИНОВА Shamsutdinova ИЖЕ 144.40 14 15
16 Полина АГАФОНОВА Agafonova СПБ 144.32 12 17
17 Алина МАКСИМОВА Maksimova МОС 143.59 13 16
18 Анна ШЕРШАК Shershak МОС 130.62 18 18
1 Ксения СТОЛБОВА / Фёдор КЛИМОВ Stolbova/Klimov С/М 214.47 1 2
2 Вера БАЗАРОВА / Юрий ЛАРИОНОВ Bazarova/Larionov С/М 214.02 2 1
3 Мария ВЫГАЛОВА / Егор ЗАКРОЕВ Vigalova/Zakroev ПРМ 182.35 4 3
4 Юлия АНТИПОВА / Нодари МАИСУРАДЗЕ Antipova/Maisuradze МОС 174.97 5 7
5 Василиса ДАВАНКОВА / Андрей ДЕПУТАТ Davankova/Deputat МОС 173.09 6 6
6 Лина ФЁДОРОВА / Максим МИРОШКИН Fedorova/Miroshkin МОС 172.80 9 4
7 Катарина ГЕРБОЛЬДТ / Александр ЭНБЕРТ Gerboldt/Enbert СПБ 172.37 7 5
8 Евгения ТАРАСОВА / Владимир МОРОЗОВ Tarasova/Morozov МОС 169.06 3 10
9 Кристина АСТАХОВА / Максим КУРДЮКОВ Astakhova/Kurdyukov МОС 159.62 8 8
10 Анастасия ГУБАНОВА / Алексей СИНЦОВ Gubanova/Sincov ПРМ 153.28 10 9
1 Екатерина БОБРОВА / Дмитрий СОЛОВЬЕВ Bobrova/Soloviev МОС 179.90 1 1
2 Елена ИЛЬИНЫХ / Никита КАЦАЛАПОВ Ilinykh/Katsalapov МОС 168.01 2 2
3 Виктория СИНИЦИНА / Руслан ЖИГАНШИН МОС Sinitsina/Zhiganshin 165.60 3 3
4 Екатерина РЯЗАНОВА / Илья ТКАЧЕНКО Riazanova/Tkachenko МОБ 163.99 4 4
5 Ксения МОНЬКО / Кирилл ХАЛЯВИН Monko/Khaliavin МОС 155.59 5 6
6 Александра СТЕПАНОВА / Иван БУКИН Stepanova/Bukin МОС 151.80 6 5
7 Валерия ЗЕНКОВА / Валерий СИНИЦИН Zenkova/Sinitsin МОС 133.87 7 8
8 Екатерина ПУШКАШ / Джонатан ГУРЕЙРО Pushkash/Guerreiro МОС 133.62 8 7
9 Анжелика КАНИВЕЦ / Алексей ЧИЖОВ Kanivets/Tchizhov СВЕ 81.88 9 9
10 Светлана ХОМЯКОВА / Никита ШУБО-ЯБЛОНСКИЙ Khomiakova/Shubo-Jablonski КИР 81.40 10 10
1 Максим КОВТУН Kovtun М/Е 267.13 2 1
2 Евгений ПЛЮЩЕНКО Plushenko СПБ 261.37 1 2
3 Сергей ВОРОНОВ Voronov МОС 249.44 3 3
4 Константин МЕНЬШОВ Menshov СПБ 230.13 10 4
5 Адьян ПИТКЕЕВ Pitkeev МОС 224.25 4 6
6 Артур ГАЧИНСКИЙ Gachinski СПБ 224.17 12 5
7 Жан БУШ Bush М/Ч 217.40 5 8
8 Александр ПЕТРОВ Petrov СПБ 216.47 7 7
9 Артур ДМИТРИЕВ Dmitriev МОС 202.03 8 11
10 Мурад КУРБАНОВ Kurbanov МОС 199.86 14 9
11 Сергей БОРОДУЛИН S. Borodulin МОС 197.31 13 10
12 Гордей ГОРШКОВ Gorshkov СПБ 196.72 9 14
13 Александр САМАРИН Samarin МОС 193.11 16 12
14 Андрей ЛАЗУКИН Lazukin СПБ 186.25 18 13
15 Морис КВИТЕЛАШВИЛИ Kvitelashvili МОС 184.98 11 16
16 Владислав СЕЗГАНОВ Sezganov СПБ 182.75 17 15
17 Константин МИЛЮКОВ Milyukov КАЗ 165.58 15 17
WD Михаил КОЛЯДА Kolyada СПБ (boot lace problem during FS that he couldn't fix in time )
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