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    Does voguing count as choreography?

    Strike a pose. Does hitting vogue poses count as choreography under CoP?

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    It did for Navka.

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    If it is with the music and reflects the character of it then yes it does.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Voguing should be a required element in the technical program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siouxdonym View Post
    Voguing should be a required element in the technical program.
    I agree. It could definitely be open to levels.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Only Navka could pull off vogueing during any figure skating program let alone a dance to the feeling begins.

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    So what should skaters get if they do the Macarena?
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Butyrskaya did

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    It did for Navka.
    And for Amodio and Candeloro.

    If you are talking about the brief stop and pose moments that sometimes mark a change of music, I am OK with them. OTOH, I do actively dislike the extended dance in place type voguing.

    Disregarding the bad taste potential of these moves, my bigger beef is that they are really thinly disguised rest breaks. Since skating is supposed to be a sport, stamina should count, so the vogue in place rest breaks should be penalized somewhere.

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    Judges could penalize too much posing under the Choreography component, specifically the Utilization of personal and public space and Pattern and ice coverage criteria.

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    I've always enjoyed a little posing. They're just small breaks in lengthy programs: I actually like a little variety from constant movement.
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    It's in the code. Level 4 Morozov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    So what should skaters get if they do the Macarena?
    Shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    So what should skaters get if they do the Macarena?
    Somebody could have done the Finnstep to Macarena as it is the right amount of bpm.
    To think that fun is simple fun, while earnest things are earnest, proves all too plain that neither one thou truthfully discernest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antmanb View Post
    Shot?


    Quote Originally Posted by allezfred View Post
    Somebody could have done the Finnstep to Macarena as it is the right amount of bpm.
    My coach and I used to do the Willow Waltz to the Macarena. It actually worked really well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    So what should skaters get if they do the Macarena?
    Screw the Macarena, that's level 1 stuff.

    Level 4 is the Nutbush.

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    Nutbush is only Level 2. Bus Stop is level 3 because it has a turn in it.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    Nutbush is only Level 2. Bus Stop is level 3 because it has a turn in it.
    ...I think we may have just moved beyond my generation. Bugger.

    These darn old people running our sport...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    If it is with the music and reflects the character of it then yes it does.
    Well, it would still be reflected if it wasn't with the music/character, just not in a positive way.

    If it is done well and not excessively, then I would reward the choreography mark (relative to if they had just been generically skating around). I agree with those who don't mind and even like it a little bit. Sometimes it gives interest and character to the program. I can think of a handful of times where I felt it got to be excessive enough, for example, Florent Amodio's Michael Jackson program and arguably Oksana Baiul's Olympic program, but both were interpreted extremely well. In those cases, I might end up with a similar choreography mark compared to if they had just been generically skating around during the posing sections, because I'd reward their contribution purpose, unity, and phrasing, but take off on the ice coverage and use of space. I would still keep the interpretation mark up very high in those two examples. I'd generally end up having a bigger than average difference between the choreography and interpretation mark (with the interpretation being high) in cases like those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allezfred View Post
    Somebody could have done the Finnstep to Macarena as it is the right amount of bpm.
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