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    Grishuk and Platov

    It's my first post, so please be gentle It's going to be a bit of a muddled post, but I hope you'll be able to make sense of it...

    I must admit I had a slight obsession with Grishuk & Platov in the 90's. I think it was Oksana (Pasha)'s incredible skating and Evgeny's elegant good looks that made them so irresistible to me. In my opinion, their speed and skating could not be matched and they were so exciting to watch they almost lit the ice on fire! However, I don't think there has ever been a more controversial ice dance pair that split opinions as much as they did.

    Rather than discuss their skating, which I'm sure has been done on this board many times before, I had some questions about their tribulations off the ice and I thought the knowledgeable people on here would know a lot more gossip than me.

    Obviously, Grishuk's affair with Alexander Zhulin is well known, but I have read some claims that she was also the cause of Platov's marriage break up and that Platov (indecently) propositioned both her and later Maya Usova. Both have turned him down Also, Grishuk has been linked to Alexei Urmanov. Does anyone know if any of this is true?

    I don't know what all these women saw in Zhulin. Platov was so much more handsome. Although I thought it was awful that he left Grishuk the way he did (if Grishuk's claims in the press are to be believed) and I never liked Usova. Despite my slight crush on Platov I thought he and Usova were painfully boring to watch. I don't think he would have achieved anything without Grishuk.

    Anyway, let me know what you all think
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    Years ago, I once read an interview with Platov's ex-wife (who apparently was also a skater but not on the same level as he was) and she never mentioned anything about their marriage breaking up because of Grishuk. Of course, I cannot say for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gk_891 View Post
    Years ago, I once read an interview with Platov's ex-wife (who apparently was also a skater but not on the same level as he was) and she never mentioned anything about their marriage breaking up because of Grishuk. Of course, I cannot say for sure.
    I can't now quote the source, but I remember Grishuk making some derogatory comments about Platov's wife at the time - that she was just an actress so her an Platov couldn't possibly have anything in common. I think in some later articles it was claimed that Platov made advances towards Grishuk, but she turned him down. Both assertions sound quite unbelievable!

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    Didn't also Grishuk once claim that Evgeni used to beat her and hit her on her womanly parts? She also claimed that Dubova attacked her with a butcher's knife. I also can't seem to source these articles so I can't be sure if Pasha/Oksana actually did claim these things or not but I guess you have to take anything you read on the internet with a grain of salt.

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    I think there was an incident when police were called during one of their training sessions and Grishuk said that Platov hit her. He admitted to slapping her because she was hysterical and he tried to calm her down, but he was never charged.

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    On a side note, I was quite surprised to find out what good friends Grishuk & Platov were with Krylova & Ovsyannikov. There are several videos of them together on youtube where they appear to be almost inseparable. Clearly it all went sour very quickly.

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    Maybe Evgeny got too into character practicing their 1993 FD? Maybe that's idiotic

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    I always felt sorry for her because of the way things turned out after the 1998 Olympics and obviously most people took Usova & Platov's side because of Grishuk's behaviour off the ice, but I think Tarasova wrote in her book about Grishuk that she was slightly mentally unstable, which could have been as a result of her upbringing. Her father left the family when Grishuk was very young and her mother moved to Germany with her new boyfriend leaving the little girl to fend for herself in Moscow. Ice skating was all she had and in a way Platov took that away from her by abandoning her after they have won 2 Olympic Golds. I very much doubt he would have achieved any of it without her.

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    I am not sure what you mean that Platov abandoned her. Wasn't she the one who wanted to have a Hollywood career right after Nagano? Of course he wouldn't have achieved those 2 golds without her. But she wouldn't have achieved those golds without him, either.

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    Krykanova and Platov won Junior Worlds 3x.

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    Platov must have been a saint. I can't imagine any other man would stand skating with Grishuk. Without him, she wouldn't have achieved such success.

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    I know Platov won juniors 3 times without Grishuk, but I have seen clips of his performances with other partners (before and after Grishuk) and they were virtually unwatchable! Grishuk's junior performances with her previous partner were not bad though. You could tell she had fire in her! Platov was an amazing partner and a beautiful man, but Grishuk is was made them special. Without her I feel he would have become part of one of those boring Usova/Zhulin type of couples. Grishuk had personality, and from what I have read, an iron will and hunger to win. Platov himself admitted in an interview that she made him work harder when he wanted to give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittyhawk View Post
    I am not sure what you mean that Platov abandoned her. Wasn't she the one who wanted to have a Hollywood career right after Nagano? Of course he wouldn't have achieved those 2 golds without her. But she wouldn't have achieved those golds without him, either.
    Exactly. He had to think about his post-amateur career. With her Hollywood aspirations, he had to get another partner.

    I also think Oksana greatly improved when she partnered Platov. I found her promising during her junior days when her partner was Chickov but when she started skating under Dubova with Platov, I thought her edges, posture, and free leg extension improved significantly. This is especially apparent in their compulsories (not so much during their free dances when they skated under Natalia Linichuk).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xela M View Post
    I know Platov won juniors 3 times without Grishuk, but I have seen clips of his performances with other partners (before and after Grishuk) and they were virtually unwatchable! Grishuk's junior performances with her previous partner were not bad though. You could tell she had fire in her! Platov was an amazing partner and a beautiful man, but Grishuk is was made them special. Without her I feel he would have become part of one of those boring Usova/Zhulin type of couples. Grishuk had personality, and from what I have read, an iron will and hunger to win. Platov himself admitted in an interview that she made him work harder when he wanted to give up.
    True but Grishuk isn't necessarily what made them special. Them being together as a team is what made them special. Platov had incredibly disciplined posture, line, and edging. Oksana probably knew that which is probably why she kept in contact with him after she was booted out of Dubova's group and kept insisting that he leave Dubova and reunite with her. Rumour had it that Dubova was deeply upset when Platov left her camp because she considered him to be one of the most talented skaters she ever coached. He was also a very special skater, just as much as Oksana was (albeit in different ways).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gk_891 View Post
    Exactly. He had to think about his post-amateur career. With her Hollywood aspirations, he had to get another partner.

    I also think Oksana greatly improved when she partnered Platov. I found her promising during her junior days when her partner was Chickov but when she started skating under Dubova with Platov, I thought her edges, posture, and free leg extension improved significantly. This is especially apparent in their compulsories (not so much during their free dances when they skated under Natalia Linichuk).
    Obviously we will never know the truth, but I thought the consensus was that Platov planned on leaving Grishuk and partnering up with Usova even before they won in 1998. They were already rehearsing and he never even told Grishuk. She planned on skating with him professionally. Regardless of what a nightmare she was in those days it was quite foolish to split up and not enjoy the fruits of their hard labour. I think Evgeny himself said that he regretted making this decision so hastily.

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    Platov was a unique partner and maybe the best of all time, but I always thought Grishuk was the better skater in their partnership. She was also the one making all the decisions and forcing them on him (from what I have read and Platov's interviews). Without Grishuk he would have stayed with Dubova and waited his "turn" for a place at the top. Grishuk not only forced the coach change on him, but also made him skate to rock'n'roll - something he didn't want to do initially. We all know how that worked out

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    Grishuk not only forced the coach change on him, but also made him skate to roch'n'roll - something he didn't want to do initially. We all know how that worked out
    That FD was so horrible. I still can't believe that such a dance gave them gold.

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    The rock'n'roll FD looked very winning in that it was youthful and jazzy but choreographically, I found it be one of the weakest free dances they ever did. There were moments of brilliance but those moments were very poorly weaved together. And although it showed off their speed and power, it failed to show off their running edges, fluid handholds, and strong free legs. But that's more of a fault of Linichuk's choreography than with Grishuk & Platov as skaters. And personally for me, I thought Platov was more disciplined with his posture, line, and edging than Grishuk was. His free leg extension in particular was absolutely amazing.

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    I once read a translated interview with Platov's ex-wife Maria. It's been some time since I last read it, but IIRC, she never said Grishuk was the cause of their marriage's breakup. More like different life/career goals. I mean, his ex-wife was an actress based in Russia, while his skating career at the time meant training and doing shows in the US. Maria was actually quite complimentary of Grishuk as a skater.

    I think that G/P spurred each other on and were stronger together than apart. While Grishuk may have encouraged him to fight on, there were certainly times when she was difficult to deal with. He has said in an interview that there were days when he and Tarasova would go to Grishuk’s house, bringing gifts/flowers to sort of ‘woo’ her into a better frame of mind for training. As for who the better skater was, I thought they were about equal until his injuries and subsequent surgeries. After that, Oksana was understandably better than him.

    IMO, K/O and G/P’s friendship became strained because both pairs were aiming for gold. Today, Krylova and Platov both coach ice dance teams and are cordial towards each other.

    I prefer G/P over U/P. I think the former has more spark. Everything I've read about the dissolution of G/P's partnership, gives me the impression of "he said, she said". The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Whatever G/P’s differences, they seem to have patched them up. They’ve skated together a few times in 2006, when they participated in the Russian version of Dancing On Ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xela M View Post
    .......Tarasova wrote in her book about Grishuk that she was slightly mentally unstable........
    That doesn't surprise me. Remember her Marilyn Monroe wannabe phase? Somehow, she also lost her looks between the first and the second Olympics.

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