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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    I am curious: was there any religious outcry against this? There was against Harry Potter but this (incest) seems to be a step up from witchcraft, no?
    I don't remember that there was, and the books were prominently displayed in bookstores and drug stores. I think I must have been an older teen when I discovered them, so no one would have been checking up on what I was reading anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by my little pony View Post
    was the sequel petals in the wind where cathy dates the dr? bits and pieces are pouring back into my head
    Yup!

    FITA was the original book, followed by

    Petals on the Wind picked up immediately where FITA left off and takes their story all the way through to when Cathy wreaks her revenge on her mother and the Grandmother and ends with Foxworth Hall catching on fire and burning to the ground. And yes, this is when Cathy and the Doctor ("Paul"), who took the kids in as a surrogate father, hook up. Cathy also sets out to find and seduce Bart Winslow, the man that their mother married, abandoning her children and leaving them to the mercy of the eville Grandmother, leading to a horrifying climax.

    If There Be Thorns starts several years later, with Cathy and Chris living in sin and raising Cathy's two sons (Jory, whose father was Julian, her ballet partner and first husband, and the other from her mother's husband, Bart Winslow. It's has at least two narrators/protagonists - Cathy and Bart, Jr., and I cannot remember if there was a third one. Their mother returns and moves in next door to their home but is a recluse until shit hits the fan one night and all secrets come tumbling out, leading to a horrifying climax.

    Seeds of Yesterday - Jumps forward several years. Bart Jr. ( business mogul) and Jory (a famous ballet dancer, like his father) are adults, and Bart Jr., who inherited his now-dead Grandmother's (Cathy's mother's) estate, and rebuilds Foxworth Hall and moves the entire family there. Bart wants to ruin Jory's life as well as their adopted sister, Cindy, and the elderly butler to run things at the new Foxworth Hall turns out to be none other than Corrine's (Cathy's mother's) older brother who was long-believed to be dead. All kinds of angsty drama ensues, leading to a horrifying climax.

    Lastly, Garden of Shadows is the Prequel to Flowers in the Attic, and is told from the eville Grandmother's POV. It starts when she is a young woman destined to be a plain, serious spinster until she meets Malcolm Foxworth, who charms her off her feet and asks to marry her. As soon as the "I do's" are done, she learns that life with her husband is going to be anything but warm, healthy, and filled with love and respect, leading to a horrifying climax.

    How's that for a quick summary?

    Quote Originally Posted by my little pony View Post
    kids today dont know the lengths we had to go for a little bit of smut back then
    No kidding.

    As far as trying to get a look at smut, three of my first cousins (who are all right around my age) are boys. Back when they were 10, 12, and 13 (and when the cable boxes were primitive, they would sit in front of the TV for hours on end, squinting at the scrambled screens for the Playboy Channel and Skinemax (Cinemax) channels on Saturday nights hoping to catch a glimpse of a boobs and female genitalia through the distortion .

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    What? She didn't explore Carrie, the remaining twin? Not only she was yanked from her home, locked up without being outside but she lost her twin brother. That's some prime adulthood neurosis material. Surely the writer could have used Carrie for some angsty drama leading to a horrifying climax?

    Clearly, I have flipped through my copy yesterday to refresh my memory.
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    LOL! Yup, no internet for us for easy access to smut. We were well and truly sheltered and most glimpses of anything naughty were from National Geographic pictures from places like Africa or Amazonian tribes.

    I remember finding a stack of porn magazines stuck up in the rafters of nearby park buildings when I wasn't even 10. It was a huge eye opener for me. And in the 80's when we had analog satellite, you'd randomly be browsing through the channels on a satellite and suddenly there'd be this full blown orgy on tv, my gosh, you would flick past that channel as fast as you could for fear of a passing parent!! Such guilt for even glimpsing any skin. What a different world.

    Most parents had no clue what a V.C Andrews book contained!!

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    V.C. Andrews books were more like Grimms Fairy Tales than porn or soap opera. There was very little character development and no explicit sex scenes. They were very plot driven and involved a twisted person starting a chain of calamitous events. Cathy was very much a fairy tale princess albeit not the Disney version. We had Grimm's on our bookshelf when I was growing up, and there is incest and rape in there and considerably more violence.

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    Seriously - why was this series popular? OMG!!! So creepy. We could not get enough of it in jr. high, lol.

    But thank god all those years in the attic didn't hurt her dance career!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    What? She didn't explore Carrie, the remaining twin? Not only she was yanked from her home, locked up without being outside but she lost her twin brother. That's some prime adulthood neurosis material. Surely the writer could have used Carrie for some angsty drama leading to a horrifying climax?

    Clearly, I have flipped through my copy yesterday to refresh my memory.
    Well actually, she did fall in love with a wannabe minister and committed suicide because she felt unpure. (Thank you Wikipedia )

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    yeah i remember cathy not growing and then creating her own horrifying climax
    I feel like I'm in a dream. But it can't be a dream because there are no boy dancers!

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    I was an avid reader of these books through my teen years. Read the entire FITA, Heaven and Dawn series, plus My Sweet Audrina. After that, I realized it was the same predictable formula over and over:

    1) take a dysfunctional Southern white family...
    2) throw in some incest and rape,
    3) pit poor people vs rich people, and
    4) top it off with an eville grandmother...
    and voila!

    Some of the writing was bizarre, too. Things like "...and then he forced his male sex in me."

    That said, I might tune into the Lifetime movie for old time's sake.
    Quote Originally Posted by my little pony View Post
    was the sequel petals in the wind where cathy dates the dr? bits and pieces are pouring back into my head
    I never cared for that doctor. I just thought he was such a pedophile, taking in those kids and then sleeping with his 16-year-old ward. Sent poor 10-year-old Carrie off to boarding school but conveniently kept Cathy at home so he could ogle her constantly. Ewww. (But for some reason I was willing to give the incest-hungry Chris more slack. Go figure! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesla View Post
    Well actually, she did fall in love with a wannabe minister and committed suicide because she felt unpure. (Thank you Wikipedia )
    Ahh, all is well with the world now. Sounds like a nice horrifying climax. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aliceanne View Post
    Not even the arsenic laced doughnuts or the ballet dancer with the broken feet?

    I seem to remember reading somewhere that V.C. Andrews died and someone else continued the series - or was that another author?
    IIRC it was during the writing of the Casteel series (came after FITA) that Andrews died and her estate started using a ghost writer. I gave up while reading the Cutler series (came after the Casteel series) when I started seeing whole paragraphs being lifted and used from previous books (the description of Philip Cutler is almost identical to that of Chris and Cathy's father for instance). Also, the Cutler seies is very much like the previous two series - brother obsessed with younger sister (Chris/Cathy, Philip Cutler/Dawn), one sister insanely jealous of the other (Fanny Casteel/Heaven, Clara Sue Cutler/Dawn), child raised poor suddenly finding they are from a rich family, etc. etc. The shock value wears pretty thin after a while. As does the entertainment value, from reading the same basic plot over and over and over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    What? She didn't explore Carrie, the remaining twin? Not only she was yanked from her home, locked up without being outside but she lost her twin brother. That's some prime adulthood neurosis material. Surely the writer could have used Carrie for some angsty drama leading to a horrifying climax?

    Clearly, I have flipped through my copy yesterday to refresh my memory.
    Carrie commited suicide in POTW, after falling in love with a man who wanted to become a minister. He had proposed to her, but she got scared because "ministers' wives are supposed to be perfect and pure." She never felt perfect because of her short stature and she had had a dalliance with Julien (her BIL) so she wasn't a virgin (& she remembered the grandmother harping on purity when they were living in the attic). So she went out and bought the doughnuts and arsenic and did herself in.

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    I'd forgotten all about these books. Brings back teeny bopper memories. I didn't know there was a movie made in 1987. I guess I'd watch the new version just to check it out but it doesn't sound like it will be very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karina1974 View Post
    So she went out and bought the doughnuts and arsenic and did herself in.
    Doughnuts and arsenic again? Feeling nostalgic, was she?
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    The mother lived in the books? "Eat the cookie, mother" was one of my favorite lines.

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    Yeah the mother made it all the way to the third book, If There Be Thorns. I forget how she died though I'm sure it was something really (melo)dramatik.

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    I'm pretty sure it was a horrifying climax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karina1974 View Post
    Carrie commited suicide in POTW, after falling in love with a man who wanted to become a minister. He had proposed to her, but she got scared because "ministers' wives are supposed to be perfect and pure." She never felt perfect because of her short stature and she had had a dalliance with Julien (her BIL) so she wasn't a virgin (& she remembered the grandmother harping on purity when they were living in the attic). So she went out and bought the doughnuts and arsenic and did herself in.
    Glad to see Carrie didn't disappoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    I'm pretty sure it was a horrifying climax.
    LMAO.Didn't the family butler, John Amos (not sure if that was his name...I know the last name was Amos. I may have named him John after John Stamos but ANYWAY...) blackmail the mother and make her be his wife? And she developed a grandma type relationship with one of Cathy's children? And then somehow she died in a fire she started herself, and I think she was living in a barn or something. I could totally be getting this all wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheylana View Post
    Yeah the mother made it all the way to the third book, If There Be Thorns. I forget how she died though I'm sure it was something really (melo)dramatik.
    In If There Be Thorns, John Amos (who was the butler at Foxworth Hall back in the day for the Grandmother and Gransfather and who was also a distant cousin of Olivia (the Grandmother), was in charge of taking care of Corrine, after she left the Insane Asylum following that horrifying climas horrifying in Petals in the Wind), and he was the one who made it possible for he and Corrine to move next door to their family in ITBT. When all the secrets were revealed, Cathy and Corrine got into a knock-down drag-out fight in that mansion, at which time John set fire to it. Corrine saved her daughter before succumbing to smoke inhalation and dying.

    When Corrine's will was read, the Original Foxworth Hall, and its entire estate, was left to Cathy and Chris, her only two surviving children, and IIRC, to Bart Winslow, Jr. (Cathy's son by way of Corrine's second husband), and to Jory (Cathy's first husband, who was a retired Primiere Male Danseur in the Ballet World (prior to the accident that left him a paraplegic), with Bart, Jr. being appointed the Executor of the Estate.

    Hell, we haven't even gotten to discussing Seed of Yesterday, which has the clichéd ret-con of one of Corrine's older brothers who died in a horrifying skiing accident in in his early 20s in Switzerland, only to be found very much alive by Bart Jr., as brought back by him and given the position Butler for the Foxworth Hall and [sytolr]Bart's right hand man[/strike]?
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