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    Just watched the SD... sigh I don't think I will follow figure skating anymore after Tessa and Scott retire. Since when do D/W have a one mistake advantage? I still don't get their PCS one bit.

    Tessa and Scott gave the judges no reason to ding them and hey let's throw them an eight on PCS for safe measure. D/W messed up their twizzles, who cares +3 GOE! What a shitty sport thanks to the shitty judges and shitty politicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcg View Post
    At this point all you can do is laugh. Three judges gave +3 goe for d&w twizzles. One judge felt d&w were at least 0.75 better in skating skills over v&m. Transitions as well.

    I suppose the silver lining is v&m are better technically. Now they just need to work on selling that program and work to interact better with each other to improve their performance and connection :p
    Are the judges even watching the skating? If out of sync twizzles deserve a GOE of +3, then are they going to create new GOE of +10 when they are done perfectly?

    Riiiight . . . VM need to work on their connection because obviously that is their weakness . . . . maybe they should just throw their arms up and gesture to the crowd, that seems to work for other teams.

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    My thoughts exactly. I don't have much interest to follow skating anymore. The writing's on the wall..

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    Whatever….. judges - I just watched both SD's back to back. Tessa and Scott skate with each other with so much connection it feels like they really are a couple "dancing cheek to check". For me - D&W do have an excitement about their skating but I don't buy "I only know when he began to dance with me etc." I used to so love this sport and now I don't understand the criteria. This time it doesn't seem to be about levels on steps only the technical panel understands. This felt like preference. They clearly ignored a problem with the twizzles. But why? I am getting more and more worried about the result for the Olympics, not just for V&M but for the sport in general.
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    I think the ISU needs to have new rules regarding PCS marks - specifically the numbers should be linked to the judges in their system and if any judge is giving marks consistently lower than the rest, they should be required to provide a written explanation. And if said judge doesn't have a good faith basis for those lower scores, they should be sent to special training or banned for being incompetent. It's a disgrace to every one of these hard-working athletes that the judges have no accountability at all.

    No one that knows anything at all about skating skills would think that V/M's warranted an 8.50. Or that their interpretation/ timing deserved only a 9.00.

    ITA walei, I don't think I'll be following it either... at least not ice dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJD View Post
    I think the ISU needs to have new rules regarding PCS marks - specifically the numbers should be linked to the judges in their system and if any judge is giving marks consistently lower than the rest, they should be required to provide a written explanation. And if said judge doesn't have a good faith basis for those lower scores, they should be sent to special training or banned for being incompetent. It's a disgrace to every one of these hard-working athletes that the judges have no accountability at all.

    No one that knows anything at all about skating skills would think that V/M's warranted an 8.50. Or that their interpretation/ timing deserved only a 9.00.

    ITA walei, I don't think I'll be following it either... at least not ice dance.
    to the d/w fans, it would mean, yay! less v/m ubers

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    And it's not fair for the skaters themselves that invest a lot of energy and money for training to be judged like this.

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    It's hard not to think a fix is in when 2 teams, so close in their abilities (never mind which team you prefer), are not marked properly when a mistake on an element occurs. If V/M had made a small mistake in their twizzles and still gotten first over a clean D/W, I would be feeling the same way... specifically because of how close they have been. This seems like a clear indication that that is no longer the case with the judges. Even the commentators were surprised.

    That being said, awesome skate from V/M. That program is only getting better and better and I loved it from the start.

    I think the gap will widen after the FP. And, I think it's obvious that the Russians will win bronze at the Olympics.

    Politics has returned with a vengeance... even if it hadn't really ever left.

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    Tessa e Scott: Great performance today!! But.. I'm very very angry!!!!! It's not fair!!!! They should be in first place with World record!!!!!!! Charlie did an evident mistake in tw but Lv4 and +3 GOE... Really?????! And interpretation??! The same from beginning of SD to the end..... Judges wan't to see the thousand facial expression of TS...
    They were simply amazing today!! Arrrrrrrgh..............

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    of course, the d/w ubers are downplaying the mistake in the twizzles as not horribly evident. i dont know what they were looking at.

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    Just to put this out there ...

    There was a mistake made by D/W on their twizzles and yet they managed to get GOE of +3 by two of the judges and +2 by four of them on that very element. How many other teams are given such a pass when a mistake is made? I would say ... none.

    I recall V/M making a minor mistake on their twizzles in the SD at Worlds last season and getting dinged quite heavily for their mistake. The element was downgraded to a level 3 with GOE of .57 (2-0s, 4-1s and 3-2s). Charlie makes the same kind of mistake in the SD here at the GPF and about as badly as Scott did last year and what happens? D/W are given a level 4 for the element and and overall GOE of 1.07 so tell me again how this makes sense?

    Same comparison but with PCS.
    Last season V/M managed 38.30 for PCS in their "flawed" SD compared to a mark of 38.83 for a clean D/W.
    This season, V/M get 38.51 for a "flawless" SD while D/W are given 38.73 with a mistake.
    Certainly can make one go hmmmm.
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    oh of course. and some d/w ubers are putting it down as to d/w having the more cohesive sd. the music may sound cohesive, but d/w to me dont look like they got the rhythm/expression down for foxtrot whereas v/m exceedingly do. finnstep is pretty much even. so even now, it's music cohesion vs accurate expression of the rhythm? with the former having more weight over the latter?

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    My thoughts exactly. I don't have much interest to follow skating anymore. The writing's on the wall..
    I've felt that way since the start of the season. I didn't bother to watch yesterday and won't watch the remainder. It's just annoying.

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    I don't know if I will watch because I guess I will be more frustrated

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    let's keep watching as long as v/m competes. at least they would still have their fans to rally behind them, if the judging community isn't gonna do it.

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    Girls, do you know by any chance if there is an email address when sending messages to ISU besides facebook?

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    And there you have it. For months some of us have been saying the fix was in, but we were just some crazy and bitter fans. If this didn't convince you the fix is in I don't know what will. Since I already knew this would happen it doesn't sting as it usually would have. Glad Tessa and Scott had an amazing performance and hopefully they don't get discouraged and have a great performance tomorrow as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by professordeb View Post
    Just to put this out there ...

    There was a mistake made by D/W on their twizzles and yet they managed to get GOE of +3 by two of the judges and +2 by four of them on that very element. How many other teams are given such a pass when a mistake is made? I would say ... none.

    I recall V/M making a minor mistake on their twizzles in the SD at Worlds last season and getting dinged quite heavily for their mistake. The element was downgraded to a level 3 with GOE of .57 (2-0s, 4-1s and 3-2s). Charlie makes the same kind of mistake in the SD here at the GPF and about as badly as Scott did last year and what happens? D/W are given a level 4 for the element and and overall GOE of 1.07 so tell me again how this makes sense?

    Same comparison but with PCS.
    Last season V/M managed 38.30 for PCS in their "flawed" SD compared to a mark of 38.83 for a clean D/W.
    This season, V/M get 38.51 for a "flawless" SD while D/W are given 38.73 with a mistake.
    Certainly can make one go hmmmm.
    Deb, your post is very rational and well explained. I challenge the DW ubers who are reading this thread and commenting about all the crazy VM ubers to explain why VM fans should not be upset by this.

    What is the explanation for a +3 GOE for errors in the twizzles?

    Is this justification to call VM fans crazed and taking the discussion to a hateful extreme?

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    Quote Originally Posted by volunteer View Post
    Deb, your post is very rational and well explained. I challenge the DW ubers who are reading this thread and commenting about all the crazy VM ubers to explain why VM fans should not be upset by this.

    What is the explanation for a +3 GOE for errors in the twizzles?
    There is no explanation it is just favoritism. Politics, politics and politics

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    Hi, guys! I was very happy to see TS score after SD Good job, guys, you got all levels 4, you show clean SD and break even WR. Keep this and skate clean FD, please.
    Last season with clean SD they lost in GPF to DW 2 points i think, so its good improvement.
    Its interesting, that CL had illigal element, why judges didnt tell them about it at GP?
    Feel bad for PB Dont know, what to say. Good thing they changed lift.
    And i found in interesting, that DW show again old lift, wich i see last 8 years, so i was right - that new lift couldnt get levl 4, but why they got it?

    I see you are vey unhappy, but remember last season and that tomorrow will be FD and its very strong part of competition for DW. So i wish TS clean skating an at least i wish to see smiles on there faces.

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