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    Stockholm's bid would place the mountain events in Åre, which is a very long way from the capital (six and a half hours by train, seven hours by car). Beijing's bid would place them in Zhangjiakou, about three hours away by car under optimum conditions. I remember reading that the mountain events in 2006 were about two and a half hours by car from central Turin, and that's about the same time required to go from Oslo to Lillehammer, where the mountain events would be held if the Games were awarded to Norway. I think that's about the upper limit of practicality if the IOC wants to maintain any feeling of having one cohesive sports festival.

    I also wonder about whether the IOC would actually award the Games to one country (Poland), when the proposed venues for the Alpine skiing events would be in another (Slovakia).

    Given all of Ukraine's political, economic, and logistical problems, I don't think it's likely that the IOC will award these games to Lviv either.

    I think that Almaty and Oslo are probably the two with the best chances.

    We shall see.

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    The IOC frowns upon bi-national bids. I would be shocked if the Poland-Slovakia bid made it to the candidate city phase. I love the idea of Stockholm but really, Åre is just too far from Stockholm I believe for this to work practically. I didn't think Almaty was possible but it sounds like now they've really upped their ante with hosting some top-notch events. It would also truly be a "new frontier" as the IOC likes to do now.

    I still believe the favorite in this one is Oslo. then perhaps Åre and Almaty.
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    How many cities will move on to candidate phase? 3 out of 6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kylet3 View Post
    I didn't think Almaty was possible but it sounds like now they've really upped their ante with hosting some top-notch events. It would also truly be a "new frontier" as the IOC likes to do now.
    I hope Almaty doesn't win. Several countries with imperfect democracies have hosted the Olympics, but never a downright dictatorship like Kazakhstan. Giving Nazarbayez publicity is one purpose the Olympics should not serve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asli View Post
    I hope Almaty doesn't win. Several countries with imperfect democracies have hosted the Olympics, but never a downright dictatorship like Kazakhstan. Giving Nazarbayez publicity is one purpose the Olympics should not serve.
    Oh dear, that doesn't sound encouraging then. Personally, I'd love to see Oslo get it.

    Ziggy, I don't think there's a set limit. Perhaps three, perhaps four. If I was a betting man, Oslo, Stockholm, Almaty, Beijing (even though they won't win, but they have a lot of $$$ and influence within the IOC) as the cities that make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asli View Post
    I hope Almaty doesn't win. Several countries with imperfect democracies have hosted the Olympics, but never a downright dictatorship like Kazakhstan. Giving Nazarbayez publicity is one purpose the Olympics should not serve.
    I second that thought. It's an insane dictatorship, using the petro-dollars to fulfil Nazarbayev's personal ambitions instead of benefiting its people.

    I also think that Oslo, Stockholm, Almaty and possibly Beijing are going to make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asli View Post
    I hope Almaty doesn't win. Several countries with imperfect democracies have hosted the Olympics, but never a downright dictatorship like Kazakhstan.
    Most people would consider Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Tito's Yugoslavia, and the People's Republic of China dictatorships rather than "imperfect democracies."

    (And the I.O.C. awarded the 1940 Winter and Summer Games to Japan, which was hardly a democracy at the time.)

    Meanwhile, Ukraine is having a spot of revolution at the moment.
    Ukraine rocked by largest street protests since Orange Revolution
    Thousands of Protesters in Ukraine Demand Leader’s Resignation

    Whatever the outcome of the current developments, I would not be surprised if Lviv withdraws its candidacy.
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    I vote for Sweden. For no other reason than I would like it to be in Sweden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Most people would consider Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Tito's Yugoslavia, and the People's Republic of China dictatorships rather than "imperfect democracies."
    When Berlin was awarded the Olympics, the Nazis were not yet in power. But even the Nazi Germany in 1936, the government was authoritarian, racist and antisemitic but had overwhelming popular support thanks to its outstanding economic success. So it may have been many things, but it was not yet a dictatorship. It is easy to think otherwise knowing what happened afterwards.

    All the rest of your examples pale in comparison with Kazakhstan. Not to mention, in the cases of Yugoslavia and the USSR, what was acceptable decades ago can be shocking by today's standards. For instance, Los Angeles hosted the olympics just before Berlin, despite the racial segregation/discrimination laws in the USA. This would not be possible now, but was considered normal at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asli View Post
    When Berlin was awarded the Olympics, the Nazis were not yet in power.
    Your original criteria was countries that "hosted" the Olympics, not ones that were selected as hosts. And, as I said, Japan was already a dictatorship when it was selected to host the 1940 Games, which were never held.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asli View Post
    But even the Nazi Germany in 1936, the government was authoritarian, racist and antisemitic but had overwhelming popular support thanks to its outstanding economic success. So it may have been many things, but it was not yet a dictatorship.
    Yes, it was.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dictatorship?s=t

    dic·ta·tor·ship [dik-tey-ter-ship, dik-tey-] ....
    noun
    1. a country, government, or the form of government in which absolute power is exercised by a dictator.
    2. absolute, imperious, or overbearing power or control.
    3. the office or position held by a dictator.
    Nazi Germany had been a dictatorship since the adoption of the Enabling Act

    Overwhelming popular support does not make a dictatorship any less of a dictatorship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asli View Post
    All the rest of your examples pale in comparison with Kazakhstan.
    Really? Kazakhstan was less of a dictatorship when it was part of the U.S.S.R. during the Brezhnev era than it is now? Evidence, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asli View Post
    Not to mention, in the cases of Yugoslavia and the USSR, what was acceptable decades ago can be shocking by today's standards. For instance, Los Angeles hosted the olympics just before Berlin, despite the racial segregation/discrimination laws in the USA. This would not be possible now, but was considered normal at the time.
    Are you saying that the one-party rule with powers concentrated in one man, the "justice" system that provided no due process of law, and all of the attendant restrictions on speech and on the right of assembly, as was the case in the U.S.S.R. in 1980, Yugoslavia in 1984, and China just five years ago were acceptable then? In whose eyes? Not in mine, and I very much doubt in yours either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asli View Post
    For instance, Los Angeles hosted the olympics just before Berlin, despite the racial segregation/discrimination laws in the USA. This would not be possible now, but was considered normal at the time.
    Your original post concerned "downright dictatorships." While there were certainly were laws in parts of the United States in 1932, even in New York (the state in which the 1932 Winter Olympics were held) and California, that legalized racial discrimination and segregation, that did not make the U.S. a dictatorship. If you really think that Herbert Hoover was a dictator, you would do well to do a considerable amount of reading about the history of the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domshabfan View Post
    Lviv : I think it is too early for this city to host the games, especially 8 year after Sochi. Also, I don't think Ukraine has the financial power to host a successful Olympics.

    Krakow: Again, financial strain on the country might be too much. The city is relatively close to Lviv.

    Beijing: I am not sure why the city is biding for a winter games, are they trying to be the first city to host summer and winter games. Did they borrow this idea from Munich?

    Stockholm: Very good chance, I would like to see the games come to Sweden.

    Oslo: They too have a good chance, they can host a good games. Though, I hope they don't get it, especially since medal table will be the most uncompetitive ever, with Norway winning 30+ gold medal (they truly can win more than that).

    Almaty : they have done all the right thing, they hosted all right events, they are rich, culturally have some similarity to Russia but still very unique. However, I think they will be pipped by the Scandinavians.

    My preference is the order, Sweden, Norway, Kazakh, Poland, China and Ukraine.
    Don't you mean Swed, Nor, Kaz, Polo, Chin, and Uke?

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    Go OSLO! OSLO 2022. Hope I'm still around for this one!

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    After reading all the comments it sounds like Oslo may be the front runner, and Almaty may be second. Stockholm does not seem to have the ski areas within a reasonable distance.

    However, when I visited Tallinn, Estonia this summer, our tour guide told us that during the Moscow 1980 summer Olympics (which we did not get to see in the USA because of Carter's stupid decision to boycott them) some athletes stayed in the Olympic village in Tallinn. Now that seems like a really long distance to me (Tallinn to Moscow, in 1980). So the 6-7 hour trip from Stockholm to the ski areas may not be that big an issue. It's just that the attendees will have to spend an entire day on one or two mountain venue competitions and take the night train back to Stockholm (unless they plan on staying overnight in the mountains). It would be difficult but not non-attainable.

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    Apparently sailing was held in Tallinn, so athletes participating sailing must have stayed there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domshabfan View Post
    Apparently sailing was held in Tallinn, so athletes participating sailing must have stayed there.
    Makes sense.

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    Oslo I'm soooooooooo biased Would love love love Olympics in the city where I live!

    But Stockholm would be equally fab, it's been twenty years since we had OG in Scandinavia, even more in 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmallFairy View Post
    Oslo I'm soooooooooo biased Would love love love Olympics in the city where I live!

    But Stockholm would be equally fab, it's been twenty years since we had OG in Scandinavia, even more in 2022.
    I would prefer Oslo to Stockholm... only because I prefer Oslo to Stockholm as a town...

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    It obviously won't happen in 2022, but sometime before I die, I would like to see a Winter Olympics in Austria please. I figure if I live well into my 80's that should give Austria 7-8 more shots to get it nailed down.

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    Stockholm is out. Really hoping for Oslo now!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympic...7441--spt.html

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    Guess I vote for Norway now.

    Although ... if Beijing could put together another Opening Ceremony as spectacular as 2008 was, then I could get on board with that.
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