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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Why would he think that now? Empty programs have never kept him off the podium before.
    Before, there wasn't really anyone capable of producing the TES on the jump elements to overtake him, even if they got solid PCS. But if Chan & Fernanadez, who have free skates with multiple quads, and maybe Hanyu, Takahashi or even Machida skate clean, Plushenko's empty programs wouldn't be enough.

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    Wow. I really thought that Plushy would appear at Rostelecom. So Russian Nationals are next? Very similar to Evan's scenario, although Evan has yet to skate in a "Volvo Cup" equivalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morqet View Post
    Before, there wasn't really anyone capable of producing the TES on the jump elements to overtake him, even if they got solid PCS. But if Chan & Fernanadez, who have free skates with multiple quads, and maybe Hanyu, Takahashi or even Machida skate clean, Plushenko's empty programs wouldn't be enough.
    Sorry, but I just can't believe that. IMO, Plushenko is held to a different standard and he knows it. If, say, Fernandez had skated Plushenko's exact same programs at NHK, he would not have scored anywhere near 260.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Sorry, but I just can't believe that. IMO, Plushenko is held to a different standard and he knows it. If, say, Fernandez had skated Plushenko's exact same programs at NHK, he would not have scored anywhere near 260.
    I actually don't think this is true. He "thinks" he's held to a different standard but that assumption cost him the Gold last time and could cost him more this time. Plus "absence does not make the heart grow fonder" when it comes to figure skating judges IMHO

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    That was a B event, not the real thing (the Olympics).

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    Quote Originally Posted by morqet View Post
    Before, there wasn't really anyone capable of producing the TES on the jump elements to overtake him, even if they got solid PCS. But if Chan & Fernanadez, who have free skates with multiple quads, and maybe Hanyu, Takahashi or even Machida skate clean, Plushenko's empty programs wouldn't be enough.
    One would think, but given the already inflated PCS he got at Volvo Cup for his programs, plus the general boost he'll get for sentiment sake skating in his final event in his home country....?
    I meant to take the high road.... but I missed the exit.

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    http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/659139
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    Mishin said that Plushy will not perform at the Grand Prix "Rostelecom Cup" (22-24.11.2013)!
    Before the Russian and European championships, he will perform at another smaller competition.
    There will be changes in the Short Program, they prepared a "surprise".

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    Quote Originally Posted by clairecloutier View Post
    Both Plushenko and Yuna Kim are following their own path this season--not doing the Grand Prix or any major competition before Sochi (unless Plush shows up at Euros), just a senior B for each. It will be interesting to see how it works out.

    I watched Plushenko's Volvo Cup LP yesterday. The jumps were surprisingly solid, but the rest of the program? There's hardly anything in it, just a couple spins and a footwork sequence at the end. If Plushenko got out and competed against some real rivals, I think he'd see that he needs to add transitions & complexity to the program. My worry is, by avoiding real competition, he can persuade himself into thinking this program is enough. I don't understand his strategy--to me, it seems like he's making the same mistakes he did in 2010. But, it's his show and he's going to run it the way he wants to.
    I think Plusenko learned from 2010. His five jumping passes after the half of the program and two of them in combination. He is even doing 3 jump combo. (3Lutz+2T+2Lo) He lost gold medal because of this you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    Could you post the link to his Volvo Cup skate?
    LP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6ni6gOLbrU
    SP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaWzdsZBytg

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    It is quite possible that any feedback he would receive would be useless to him. He may not be capable of putting more transitions and choreography into his programs while still landing the jumps. His body is not the same as it was even 4 years ago and he wasn't really doing serious choreography then. I think their strategy of putting the programs out at a Sr. B that he can easily win, and then qualifying his skate by saying that they just haven't added in the choreography, and then keeping him out of competition until the Olympics, is brilliant. By the time Sochi rolls around, all will be caught up in the hype of having a 3 time Olympic medalist, 4 time Olympian competing, with fluff piece after fluff piece about all the pain and agony he has suffered to get there, and does anything think he won't end up on the podium? No, I don't think he will beat a clean Chan, but I do think he will be on then podium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    Could you post the link to his [Plushenko's] Volvo Cup skate?
    SP detailed protocols: http://kristalice.lv/Results/Volvo22..._SP_Scores.pdf
    FS detailed protocols: http://kristalice.lv/Results/Volvo22..._FS_Scores.pdf

    (I've edited these links into post #1 of this thread.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by peibeck View Post
    One would think, but given the already inflated PCS he got at Volvo Cup for his programs, plus the general boost he'll get for sentiment sake skating in his final event in his home country....?
    Look at the crazy marks B/S got at their Senior B outing and what they got at their GP event. Senior Bs are always over-inflated, put him up against skaters with actual programs instead of a collection of jumps with a panel that isn't half from former Soviet countries and I guarantee he won't be getting those 9s in PCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mag View Post
    It is quite possible that any feedback he would receive would be useless to him. He may not be capable of putting more transitions and choreography into his programs while still landing the jumps. His body is not the same as it was even 4 years ago and he wasn't really doing serious choreography then. I think their strategy of putting the programs out at a Sr. B that he can easily win, and then qualifying his skate by saying that they just haven't added in the choreography, and then keeping him out of competition until the Olympics, is brilliant. By the time Sochi rolls around, all will be caught up in the hype of having a 3 time Olympic medalist, 4 time Olympian competing, with fluff piece after fluff piece about all the pain and agony he has suffered to get there, and does anything think he won't end up on the podium? No, I don't think he will beat a clean Chan, but I do think he will be on then podium.
    No. He is responsible for his teammates. For example Trankov really believes in him.

    Maxim Trankov: "Plushenko will tear himself! http://evgeni-plushenko.com/forum/vi...p=80519#p80519


    World champions Tatiana Volosozhar and Maxim Trankov: Plushenko will tear himself!
    ...

    - Is it true, that if is not solve the issue with our only male singles skater, then you will give up of the team tournament - without medal prospects, it will not have meaning for you?
    - Maxim: How's not solved the issue? It's already solved. We will have Evgeni Plushenko.

    - But Plushenko this season still nobody saw. Why you think that this the issue is solved?
    - I know Zhenya Plushenko. For this, I do not need to see him once again. He will tear himself in half, but in Sochi he will perform good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    Understandable. His goal is Sochi and Sochi only. I do think he should compete at at least one serious competition before the Olys so that he could see where he is compared to the others, but maybe Rostelecom was just too soon. I'm wondering if he'll compete at Europeans. It would actually be extremely interesting to see him go against Fernandez if the latter finds his top form. Can you imagine Plush being beaten by a Spanish guy right before the Olys? But then again, that might also be a reason for him to skip it and avoid real competition until the ultimate battle.

    Either way, his comeback will definitely add spice. I'm in no way a fan of him, but it's gonna be interesting having him around in Sochi.
    I feel bad for him. No matter when his comeback is, it's going to have to be soon, because at the Olympics he has to skate, period.

    He needs to just bite the bullet, finish his programs, pick a competition and skate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morqet View Post
    Look at the crazy marks B/S got at their Senior B outing and what they got at their GP event. Senior Bs are always over-inflated, put him up against skaters with actual programs instead of a collection of jumps with a panel that isn't half from former Soviet countries and I guarantee he won't be getting those 9s in PCS.
    Judges are human...

    If everyone else sucks you don't have to do a LOT to look AMAZING! So the scores often suffer from "comparison" If you have an event where half the group really looks bad the other half gets "thank you scores" for not screwing up. Human nature. But at the Olympics you might not get as many "thank you points" as the others might not agreeably look bad for your benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    Can anyone confirm that his TES scores from Volvo will count... there was some kind of an issue with not having enough countries represented on the panel?
    I don't understand this. It looks like the 7 judges in the Sr Men's event were from 7 different countries:

    http://kristalice.lv/Results/Volvo22th/ISU/SEG019OF.HTM

    I've just linked to the SP panel, but it was the same for both. Nice to see that old cheater Juri Balkov back at the old stand (not).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan M View Post
    I don't understand this. It looks like the 7 judges in the Sr Men's event were from 7 different countries:

    http://kristalice.lv/Results/Volvo22th/ISU/SEG019OF.HTM

    I've just linked to the SP panel, but it was the same for both.
    The potential issue was with the technical panel, not the judges. Apparently the assistant technical specialist was added at the end of the SP event. It wouldn't have qualified for world ranking points otherwise. I'm not sure if the criteria for a competition to qualify for WR points and for minimum TES to count are the same.

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    It is just funny how he still creates the fuzzz.
    The youngsters have lot to learn from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mag View Post
    I think their strategy of putting the programs out at a Sr. B that he can easily win, and then qualifying his skate by saying that they just haven't added in the choreography, and then keeping him out of competition until the Olympics, is brilliant. By the time Sochi rolls around, all will be caught up in the hype of having a 3 time Olympic medalist, 4 time Olympian competing, with fluff piece after fluff piece about all the pain and agony he has suffered to get there, and does anything think he won't end up on the podium? No, I don't think he will beat a clean Chan, but I do think he will be on then podium.
    Look at lala's post. They are not going to keep him out of competition until Sochi:
    Quote Originally Posted by lala View Post
    http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/659139
    Shortly....

    Mishin said that Plushy will not perform at the Grand Prix "Rostelecom Cup" (22-24.11.2013)!
    Before the Russian and European championships, he will perform at another smaller competition.
    There will be changes in the Short Program, they prepared a "surprise".

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    I think Plushenko will pull out all of the stops in the Team competition. Whether he'll be in any shape to compete in the individual Men's event is another story, and I'd bet Kovtun is going to be competition ready, and even if he's not called to Sochi until after the TE, he won't have to travel far.
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