I'm confused, did Agnes say she is ditching her 3-3? My understanding is that she isn't going for the harder 3Z-3T, which is what she was talking about earlier this season. She can do a 3T-3T already, I don't see why she would ditch a 3-3 all together.
Someone who has the skate of their lives?
anyway, Wagner is good, but defending your title in an O year is super tough. Good luck to her
Wagner is going to be the center of attention (as will Gold, perhaps to a somewhat lesser degree) so it will be up to her to block out all distractions (and also any reminders of the 2010 disappointment) and do what she needs to do to accomplish what she wants. I point to Asada's result at Japanese Nats to say the beginning of the season means virtually nothing right now. It's all about who can deliver that night, and Wagner will be under the greatest amount of pressure. Her track record under such circumstances is mixed (IIRC, she has yet to skate two clean programs in this scenario). Wagner's mistake(s) will therefore open the door for someone else IF they step up. Last year that didn't quite happen (although many argue that Gold should have edged her out), but you never know.
I think I heard Wagner say she wants an Olympic medal - well, she doesn't need to peak at Nationals but she does need to use it as a stepping stone to set herself up for Sochi.
Wagner's going to win Nationals - no doubt in my mind.
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She has definitely built a strong case for herself, unlike the other US ladies.
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I agree with RD. Wagner's under a lot of pressure, and Gracie (or even someone else) could edge her out if she makes mistakes. That being said, I'm not concerned about whether or not she wins the event. She already has two titles and is extremely likely to make the team, which is what counts. Even if Wagner places third, I don't think it would significantly hurt her chances at the Olympics, and it might even motivate her further.
The only thing I'm wondering about in regards to placement at nationals is how it affects the team event at the Olympics. Will the national champion (and potentially the silver medalist) automatically be selected or will other criteria determine who gets to participate?
Wagner has all but earned the Takahashi treatment should she need it. She has also done the defending thing last season. I don't think her pressure is as big as say, Gold whom I believe will also be given some cushion should she need it.
Re-posting to this relevant thread:
2013-14 U.S. Ladies
Top International Scores (through Dec. 2013)
1. Ashley WAGNER, Trophee Eric Bompard (194.37)
2. Gracie GOLD, Skate Canada (186.65)
3. Karen CHEN, JGP Slovakia (179.08) - JR in U.S.
4. Mirai NAGASU, Rostelecom Cup (175.37)
5. Christina GAO, Skate Canada (173.69)
6. Samantha CESARIO, Trophee Eric Bompard (172.70)
7. Courtney HICKS, U.S. Classic (171.88)
8. Polina EDMUNDS, JGP Mexico (171.21) - 113.51 at JGPF is new ISU PB FS
9. Amber GLENN, JGP Czech Republic (164.18) - JR in U.S.
10. Agnes ZAWADZKI, Rostelecom Cup (163.21)
11. Ashley CAIN, Nebelhorn Trophy (162.39)
12. Angela WANG, JGP Czech Republic (155.87)
13. Mariah BELL, JGP Mexico (153.17)
14. Vanessa LAM, Finlandia Trophy (152.28)
15. Kiri BAGA, Coupe de Nice (150.48)
16. Barbie LONG, JGP Slovakia (148.19)
17. Tyler PIERCE, JGP Estonia (143.91) - JR in U.S.
18. Yasmin SIRAJ, JGP Latvia (142.32)
19. Rachael FLATT, Coupe de Nice (130.18)
20. Hannah MILLER, JGP Estonia (128.20)
21. Caroline ZHANG, Skate America (110.12)
Re-posting the 12 Qualifiers for 2014 Nationals in Senior Ladies:
Midwesterns top 4:
1 Hannah Miller, Lansing SC 59.52 (1) 115.28 (1) 174.80
2 Ashley Cain, Stars FSC of Texas 57.59 (3) 106.91 2) 164.50
3 Barbie Long, Illinois Valley FSC 57.43 (4) 100.02 (3) 157.45
4 Mariah Bell, Rocky Mountain FSC 57.59 2) 97.32 (4) 154.91
Easterns top 4:
1 Franchesca Chiera, Panthers FSC 57.27 (1) 115.51 (1) 172.78
2 Kiri Baga, SC of Boston 54.31 (3) 97.53 (2) 151.84
3 Joelle Forte, SC of New York 52.86 (4) 86.12 (3) 138.98
4 Yasmin Siraj, SC of Boston (2) 56.95 81.98 (5) 138.93
Pacific Coast top 4:
1 Vanessa Lam, All Year FSC 53.66 (2) 100.94 (1) 154.60
2 Rachael Flatt, St. Moritz ISC 51.61 (3) 96.62 (2) 148.23
3 Leah Keiser, All Year FSC 56.92 (1) 89.71 (3) 146.63
4 Caroline Zhang, All Year FSC (4) 51.11 82.83 (5) 133.94
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^ 3rd isn't out of the question if someone else pulls it together...and in the event of a meltdown...OTP.
Wagner is the favorite, sure, but she is not a shoo-in by any means.
I do agree that even in the 3rd position Wagner will still be considered the top American of the field.
Skaters who can put down a clean short and long deserve a chance to go to Sochi!
If Wagner/Gold skate like cra)(* and end up being sent, it will be a very boring and disappointing Nationals.
(Although I can see why Wagner might be held up since she's the only US Ladies skater who has accomplished anything this season.)
It pisses me off when people are so rudely dismissive of skaters' accomplishments, so I'm not ashamed of rudely dismissing those posters. And if you weren't aware of those international accomplishments then maybe you should learn about them before making a rude comment like that.
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I think Wagner is going to win this fair and square, with Gold coming in silver position. Had Gold moved to Frank Carroll over the summer and started out with better programs so now only in refinement mode, I might predict a switch in 1-2 position, but I don't think it will happen for Gracie this year.
Based on how they have been skating (nothing to do with my personal likes/dislikes), my bronze medal pick is between Hicks and Cesario. If Nagasu is on one of her up days, she could sneak in for a bronze but my guess is she will end up 5th. Zawadski and Gao for 6th and 7th, they just are having their issues and I don't see them getting them resolved regardless of training adjustments or sports psychology sessions. 8th through 10th Cain, Edmunds, Miller in any order. 11-13 Wang, Lam, and first-timer Chiera in some order and the rest of the field after that. I doubt if Flatt will rank above #15 and I expect Zhang will end up at or near the bottom. Nothing against these last two skaters, it's just that this year's Senior Ladies' field seems to be overall stronger than recent past years, so I think the lack of technical firepower will cause them to sink in the tide. Siraj who ranked highly last year, has just not been the same skater this season and could end up in the lowest scoring group unless something miraculous has happened over the last 6 weeks.
Last edited by jiejie; 01-02-2014 at 06:46 PM.
But there has never been an instance where a U.S. lady who was heavily favored in the way Wagner is this year has failed to make the Olympic team. Flatt in 2010; Cohen in 2006; Kwan in 2006, 2002, 1998; Kerrigan in 1994 and the list goes on...it just doesn't happen and it won't this year either.
Last edited by RFOS; 01-02-2014 at 07:44 PM.